I work with the 2 strongest men in Canada (WSM competitors) and hey NEVER did these lifts either.
As I said, if you like to do these lifts, fine, do them. You don’t need my permission if you enjoy doing them. YES training is about getting results but you also have to be motivated by what you are doing. If these odd lifts motivate you, fine, do them.
What I said is that I PERSONALLY do not and will not use them and do not believe that they provide a training effect that cannot be achieved with other, more established movements.
I can also guarantee you that no decent powerlifter, strongman competitor or Olympic lifter do these exercises in training. Maybe once in a while for kicks or test themselves on something different but even then this is unlikely. And since no bodybuilders do them either AND I haven’t seen or heard of any crossfitter doing them as part of their training who does that leave?
You shouldn’t copy the training of other people. But if NOBODY in ANY strength sports are doing them why do them?
The guys wanting the be the strongest on the basics (powerlifters) don’t do them.
The guys who want the highest level of functional strength (strongmen) don’t do them.
The guys who want the best combination of strength, power and mobility (Olympic lifters) don’t do them.
The guys wanting the most muscle mass (bodybuilders) don’t do them.
The guys who will do all the craziest shit (Crossfitters) don’t do them.
Shouldn’t that tell you something? I mean if they were effective you would have a decent number of people from at least one of these groups regularly do these movements, wouldn’t you?
The only people I’ve seen train these movements (and yes I researched them since I love the Iron Game History) are those who compete in the “All-Around Strength Sport” which is basically a competition of odd lifts like those you mentioned and over 200 hundred other weird movements. But oddly enough these guys rarely if ever are muscular and their strength level on the regular movements is generally not that high. From what I’ve seen these are often guys who failed to be muscular or strong on the big basics and still want the “feeling” of being strong, so they do lifts that nobody else does; that way they feel stronger than others.
Still that is an infinite minority. I prefer to look at what a LARGE part of successful lifters are doing. Not look for the exception for a hidden secret.
If that’s the kinda thing that interest you, you can visit the USAWA website: http://usawa.com/ … they even have a forum for people to discuss these lifts that nobody does. But if that’s you thing, perfect.