[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]BPCorso wrote:
I need to interject here b/c even though you use the word “despot” for an uninformed reader you make it look like that was the official stance of the Iranian empire. Haman was a vizier and not of Iranian/Persian descent, he was an Amalekite. He did intend to murder scores of Persian Jews as revenge for his father.
Ester, who Jews of all descent celebrate, was a Persian Jew and was literally Persian royalty! Additionally, non-Jewish Persians assisted her with her cause. This is all according to Jewish scripture, not Iranian propaganda.
I don’t think anyone can disagree that Persians treated the Jews better than any other major ancient civilization. What other civilization allowed Jews to be royalty? What other civilization freed the Jews, allowed complete freedom of religion, and promoted their return to Israel? Really what civilization in history has treated Jews better? Europeans murdered millions of Jews. Egyptians used Jews as slaves. Romans didn’t allow Jews autonomy and wanted to desecrate synagogues.
Your post makes it look like enmity between Iranians and Jews always existed, or that Iranians have always been hell bent on Jewish genocide, and that is simply not the case. I’m sure you know this but most do not.[/quote]
An interesting point, but let’s not forget the current Iranian regime is Islamist and tends to ignore any lessons history may have attempted to teach us before the prophet. [/quote]
Agreed. The Persians of 26 centuries ago are not the Persians of today nor are they those Persians since the 7th century.[/quote]
That still doesn’t justify distorting historical events. No where in my post did I even imply I was referring to current events. I highly doubt most people were aware Ester was a Persian Queen and Haman was an Amalekite. And you can say the Iranians of today aren’t those Iranians since 1979. Why try and make it look like it’s been thousands of years in the making? And tell me who the hell is the same as anyone from 2600 years ago? Germanic people? Chinese people? Indian people?
The plain facts are Europeans expelled and murdered millions of Jews over the course of history. Other civilizations enslaved Jews and didn’t allow them autonomy. If we’re looking at actual results, what actually occurred, Iranians don’t have the blood on their hands that every other civilization has. What civilization has done for the Jews what Iranians have? I’d like to see a list of civilizations, dead or still existing, that allowed Jews to be royalty, freed them from slavery, promoted their return to Israel, etc.
So one former president, one mid-level cleric who ascended to authority through political shrewdness, and some current commanders in the IRGC are supposed to represent ALL Iranians? This is what pisses me off. A few Iranians, some Iranian media outlets owned by these few Iranians, talk shit and all of a sudden it’s “These Persians ain’t the same as the Persians from 2600 years ago”.
You know there are still plenty of Nazi groups in Germany. Do they represent all Germans? You don’t have a bunch of reports and front page headlines in the USA when Europeans have a ragtag group of people shouting anti-Semitic slogans, which happens frequently. But when certain factions of the Iranian government PAYS and buses in poor rural people to shout “Death to Israel, Death to America” it’s front page fucking news. Instead of realizing, maybe it’s the desperation of some factions of people in power who are deathly afraid of losing their grip on power, and are trying to scuttle the efforts of Iranian progression.