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Jazz's 2nd Cycle

So Im looking at running this cycle:

Week 1-12
Test E-500mg/week

Week 1-10
EQ-400mg/week

Week 1-4
Dbol-20mg/day

My goals are to put on some quality mass and decrease bf. Im thinking of scrathing the dbol all together. For PCT I will be doing the stasis taper, maybe with the addition of nolva.

Any thoughts?

If you want to eq that bad then extend the eq to 12 weeks and your cycle to 14.

Kick start with some prop instead and scrap the d bol idea.

Ok, so would I run the prop for 4 weeks at maybe 75mg or so EOD?

Also, why do you suggest 14 weeks instead of 12? Do you think the extra 2 weeks is good because of the EQ? Ive heard mixed opinions on this and Id really like to hears yours.

Jazz

~I’d drop the EQ myself, otherwise extend it the 15 weeks (3 vials at 200mg/ml) There is also no sense in bothering to run the Test two weeks longer at te full dose since/if you are planning on a taper - the taper will provide raised testosterone levels while you wait for the EQ to leave your system.

The idea and reason behind runnning the test longer is so that the other compounds leave your system before the test does - with a taper that is guaranteed. So if you keep the EQ, run them both for 15 weeks and then start your test taper.

~I don’t like arbitary numbers. I would run the Dbol at 40mg/day for 100tabs or 200tabs which would be 3.5 weeks or 7 weeks.

I personally would keep the Dbol as it is different than test and complimentary to most cycles, and contrary to popular belief: is outstanding during a cutting phase as it helps keep drive high, mood up, and suppresses appetite, it might not show during its use due to water retention that most get, but it’s effects are noticed later.

I would probably choose to run it for the 7 weeks. If you had a particular reason for the 20mg, like for cortisol control or something without the gains, then by all means ignore the 40mg/day recommendation, and really the 20mg should be enough to compliment a cutting period of reduced calories with intense training.

~I personally would run an AI like Arimidex at a low-dose during the entire cycle and into the taper. I would also not bother with the Nolvadex if you taper.

150 EOD for the first two and then 100 for the third and forth with the prop. You can make it more complicated than that by slowly lowering the dosage week by week as the test enathate starts to kick in.

Many people dont start to respond to eq until 7-8ish weeks in. Therefore I would run it more than just a couple weeks past that in order to get the full benefit of the product.

I do not personally like the idea to just run test alone for 15 weeks at a lower dose. Myself and others have responded better at a higher dose for a shorter period of time rather than a lower dose drawn out over more weeks. All while using the same amount of product.

I would not run a cycle at all without at least some low dose adex. Dosing dependant on what you are taking and how likely you are to develop E related sides from AAS. People on hrt at as little as 150mg/wk still use .25mg eod. However this can vary drastically as everyone responds differently.

Makes sense Lillguy, thanks! Thebeat, why would you drop the EQ? are you just not a fan of it? And what do you recommend for a similar cutting cycle?

Im not a big fan of cycles longer than 12 weeks. Id personally only like to go 10 weeks.

Oh, and of course I will have some adex and nolva on hand. However, on my first cycle of 500mg Test E/week I didnt need any. I only had a few extra pimples and oily skin. I kept it in close proximity though!!!

jazz

my experience with EQ was that it went to work pretty fast by increasing hunger and increasing bllod volume. maybe it was in my head, i don’t know but I tried to cut on it and I face slammed every scrap of food in my house. I try to cut with the addition of tren instead and cutting was pretty easy.

Personally if you are looking for lean mass and BF reduction I would go for tren. just make sure you are prepared for the sides.

I would run it like this:

W 1-10 Test Enth 250mg E3D
W 1-10 Tren Enth 120mg E3D
Caber and adex at low doses.

[quote]Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
Makes sense Lillguy, thanks! Thebeat, why would you drop the EQ? are you just not a fan of it? And what do you recommend for a similar cutting cycle?

Im not a big fan of cycles longer than 12 weeks. Id personally only like to go 10 weeks.

Oh, and of course I will have some adex and nolva on hand. However, on my first cycle of 500mg Test E/week I didnt need any. I only had a few extra pimples and oily skin. I kept it in close proximity though!!!

jazz[/quote]

I’m just not a fan of EQ. Seems like it increases appetite, thickens blood, increases blood pressure, headaches, etc. But doesn’t do much for gains; to me it doesn’t offer ANYTHING that isn’t already present in other compounds more so. I would recommend any other compound, lol. But for your thoughts I’d go with Tren or Masteron, or even Anavar ran for the whole length. Why don’t you just run Test at 500mg/week and Anavar at 40mg/day or Masteron at 300mg/week. Tren would be the best choice for results though.

I would run an light-dose AI like arimidex at .25mg/day unless you have blood results showing that estrogen was maintained within normal physiological ranges. See, the reason to control estrogen is more than Gyno control, but for overall health as well. You do not want to lower estrogen too much, which there is no way that .25mg/day arimidex can, as that is detrimental to gains and health; but you also do not want to cause permanent damage to testicular cells, future prostate problems, and all of the other ailments that raised estrogen levels cause in men - maintain within normal physiological levels, get a blood test at least once during a cycle to get a reference as to what your levels are and get to during a standard cycle.

I like to keep my E2 between 20-30ng/ml ideally, but will allow it to get as high as 50ng/ml. Anything below 10-20 and it effects my sex drive, not my ability as in needing Viagra or something, but my actual drive, so that is relatively easy to notice, but raised levels do not usually become noticable or even effect sex drive or bloat until they are very high.

FG, thanks man! I actually think I would prefer to go with tren because of its good reputation however, I dont know if im ready to deal with the sides. Ive been spoiled by my first cycle because of the smooth run and I dont really want to go much beyond that in terms of sides.

Now I know i gotta be willing to take some risks, its just that Ive heard about some nasty sides from tren. I dont know, maybe at the dosage you reccomend, sides would be at a minimum.

Thebeat, Masteron may be worth trying out for me, but the anvar ran throughout the cycle Id be a little uncomfortable with. I know var is not that strong, but to run it for 10-12 weeks is questionable. I guess im sounding like a punk…

[quote]Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
FG, thanks man! I actually think I would prefer to go with tren because of its good reputation however, I dont know if im ready to deal with the sides. Ive been spoiled by my first cycle because of the smooth run and I dont really want to go much beyond that in terms of sides.

Now I know i gotta be willing to take some risks, its just that Ive heard about some nasty sides from tren. I dont know, maybe at the dosage you reccomend, sides would be at a minimum.

Thebeat, Masteron may be worth trying out for me, but the anvar ran throughout the cycle Id be a little uncomfortable with. I know var is not that strong, but to run it for 10-12 weeks is questionable. I guess im sounding like a punk…

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The sides may or may not bother you, only one way to know… Personally I’m not bothered by Tren sides much, other than it tends to make me easily bothered… and night sweats… and reduced “wind” at the beginning… But, honestly these are easily managed and tolerated. EQ gave me headaches and high blood pressure, also tends to make people tired and decrease performance after extended use. I can handle some extra sweating, but cannot tolerate headaches from EQ, Anadrol, etc. (my experiences)

Curious as to why you don’t like the idea of 10-12 weeks of Anavar? The negative effect on Lipids? Liver? I honestly wouldn’t worry with doses like 40mg/day - your lipids will take a dive, and your liver enzymes will go up, but they return to normal rather quickly and shouldn’t get to questionable levels during your extended use.

In the end though, I think that Masteron Enanthate would be the best component to add this time around, just wanted to give some thoughts with not dismissing the others potentially.

Yes, its because of the liver. Although I do not have any problems with liver enzymes, Id just be comfortable running and oral for a shorter period of time.

However, I know anavar is very mild and at 40mg/day, it could be successfully run for extended peroids without it causing any problems.

Im kinda leaning toward this now

Week 1-12
Test E 500mg/week
Masteron E 300mg/week

Week 1-2
Test prop 150/EOD
Week 3-4
Test Prop 100/EOD

I will also be suplimenting with HOT-ROX

I like it. very good cycle overall. simple and will no doubt be very effective. you might find the masteron a bit strong at that dose. i get cramped up on anything over 250mg/w. I also think if 250mg will give me good results why use more?

Thanks FG! Im glad you chimed in on the Masteron. I was wondering what was the smallest dosage I could use that would still be effective. I tend to like the less is more approach anyway. So ill definately change it to 250mg/week.

Do you guys reccomend running the adex at a low dosage throughout the entire cycle?

Masteron seems to be very effective for most at dosages in the 250-350mg/wk range.

I would run the adex at .25mg EOD all the way through and increase it if you get any E related sides throughout your cycle.

Thanks lillguy. The adex I have is in 1mg per tab dosage and the tabs are very small. At best I can cut them in half and get .5mg. So Ill most likely run .5mg E3D and hopefully it will have a similar effect as running it at .25mg EOD. What do you think?