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Japan and Gear: Anybody Here with Experience?


#1

A bit about me first:
I’ve lived in Japan for 18 years.
Started TRT 10 years ago, but the wrong way:
First, my doctor had me on 5000iu HCG a week. E2 levels outta control and not a good feeling.
Next, I was given 1 shot of Test E twice a month. The rollercoaster was horrible.
Finally got a doctor that was willing to work with me. Unfortunately, insurance will only pay for my test e if I have the injections done in office. The doctor’s office is too far away and as this is a lifetime problem so I decided to get my hands on some Test E and Adex from outside Japan. (Adex is not covered at all under insurance and costs 800USD if I buy it from the doctor. 25USD an amp of test from the doctor). Too much for me…at least right now.

The doctor says that it’s legal for me to bring in my own meds so long as they aren’t the ‘fun’ drugs. I had that somewhat confirmed by the Ministry of Food and Health. Getting Adex is easy. But I always worry when placing an order for my Test as it’s injectable and needles are NOT allowed. I get mine from my doctor which is allowed (Albeit hard to find one willing).

Google keeps bringing me here and to Cortes and his posts. I was hoping that maybe he and/or some vets who live in Japan can chime in with their experiences.

Japanese customs opened 1 package once in all my years, but it was just Adex and it went through without issue.

I called customs in at all major airports (3 in all) that a package could pass through. They all have different degrees of confidence when it comes to the importing of gear. From ‘…if it’s not meth, you’re fine.’ to ‘Mark the package so we can check it and have your doctor fill out form X otherwise it’ll get tossed’

For those that don’t live in Japan, the feelings of unease may seem odd. Unfortunately, commonsense in Japan…not so common. Those that live here will understand, I hope.


#2

Welcome to the club.

Went on TRT a yr or so ago cause hypogonadism.

I feel your pain about needles. I got ragged on here cause people couldn’t grasp the concept that a syringe in Japan is the equivalent to crack cocaine in the states when I wanted to do an oral only cycle.

My doctor is about a 20 minute drive and he allows me to B&C and will prescribe primo, growth, etc. (out of pocket for those, but it’s nominal compared to the states – if you could even get a script). I don’t know if any others closer would… but there are literally clinics everywhere within walking distance in Japan, even in residential neighborhoods. [Fortunately for me, though, I’m retired and it’s no biggie]

With that being said, ask your doc for a referral letter to the closest hospital / clinic. Problem kinda solved.

I’m in the process of finding out if I can get slin syringes for hCG since it’s recommended to be 250iu E3D. If that works, I’ll let you know how. Then, create a stockpile, I suppose. My doc also wanted to do the 5000iu – Japan is far behind in treatment, they’ll give you 25mg methyltestosterone tablets (what you’d get if you ordered bunk dbol) if you asked.

I just saw this. What?..
E-pharma.jp puts 1mg, good enough for 1 week in most cases, at 452 yen ($4). How often are you taking the stuff?? Sounds like your doc is ripping you off if you got govt insurance or you’re taking too much.

Note to mod: e-pharma.jp is a website that lists drugs, information on them ,and their respective price per unit for Japan at full coverage – much like drugs.com, except with an “MSRP”. Adex is 452 Yen, but, if it was prescribed, one would only pay 30% (136 yen if you had breast cancer). It does not sell drugs and is not a source of buying drugs. It’s a great resource for any Expat in Japan to know how much they’re facing to pay at the doctor’s office.


#3

Thanks for the info.

The Adex would not be prescribed as TRT is not an illness for which it can be. I’d have to pay out of pocket and an entire box. I was told that price a few years back.

Currently taking 0.25 grams x2 a week.


#4

This is correct as the only thing prescribed for TRT can be test e (125mg once weekly or 250mg once every two weeks), test prop (25mg and 10mg, but I don’t know exactly how these would be administered due to their quick half lives; surely it would be inconvenient if not at home), methlytestosterone (25mg tablets, I believe 1 daily, but this is highly liver toxic), and hCG (3000, 5000, and 10000 iu - still in the process of getting slin syringes to adminster 250iu E3D).

But you don’t have to pay for an entire box.

Whoever told you that is an idiot. I’m sure you’ve gotten a prescription filled at a pharmacy using a little 1/2 sheet paper given to you by a doctor or receptionist.

Just ensure that little piece of paper says 0.25mg twice weekly for 1 month (8 T should be above it for tablets) and instruct the doctor that you want the pharmacy to cut them. You will receive 8 satchels of individually wrapped 0.25mg adex fourths and your total bill should be no larger than 1000 Yen (just rounding up if taxed or what not).

Good luck, but I honestly think you need to see another doc. A more progressive one. Just until everything is in check and you can then get transferred with the same treatment. I doubt another doctor will argue a treatment referral letter; though, I’ve never tried.


#5

Again, thanks for the info.

My doctor handles all meds at his office. Meds not at his office he has to buy.

The way it was explained (And he could be wrong or times could have changed) but if prescribed, the pharmacy handles the meds. If ‘bought’ (Something that can’t be prescribed but must be bought from the doctor and sold to you) is something the patient has to do with the doctor and then you are paying full price for an entire set/box or however it comes.

I’m gonna visit a local clinic or 2 to see what they aay. It took me forever to find my current 2 docs. 1 willing to work with my TRT (only issue being Adex and not being able to bring test home) and another willing to sell pins with a proper pins disposal box.

I’m in the Kansai area, so hopefully there are a few more ‘progressive’ doctors.

ETA: Did I see HGH on there for 60,000 yen? I’ve got a major aurgery coming up. Was wondering if HGH would help speed along recovery.


#6

Yes, if your doctor is cool with it, you can get HGH for like 30,000-70,000 yen, the more expensive being those twist dosing pens. They’re obviously not covered by insurance.

Any doctor will work with you in Japan. Just be more aggressive. For instance, when I got a hairline fracture on my rib, I saw the doc. He wanted to give me ibuprofen for it… 80mg tablets nonetheless. Being well verse in Japan, knowing opiates are illegal and not prescribed for pain (Vicodin, etc.), I told him I’d rather get a prescription for stronger strength cough syrup as it contains more codeine than the OTC stuff. He was hesitant at first, but I was in pain and pressed the issue. I got a script for cough syrup instead of ibuprofen.

I pretty much had to be assertive in my TRT regime as well. But, I got it.

And FYI, the only other Anabolic you can get in Japan are 5mg Primobolan tabs or 100mg IM.

But, definitely see a new doc. Nobody has made me ever buy directly from them.


#7

@baka,

Sorry, I’m late to this.

Where are you seeing the 30,000 yen HGH. I can only see it for 70,000. I’d love to bring the info to my doctor and get a proper script for it rather than go UGL


#8

My bad.

I calculated it down based on 70/30 coverage.


#9

No worries. Yeah, I don’t think insurance will cover it. Although I will ask when I go in for my hcg next time.


#10

FYI for anyone who stumbles upon this post: I called customs to ask about having HGH brought into Japan. I said I believed that a family member sent some for skin issues I am having. They said “If it gets stopped by customs, a letter will be sent. Upon receiving the letter I have to provide information from my doctor saying that I’m receiving pins from him/her and being monitored by that doctor as well. If documents can’t be provided the items are returned to shipper or destroyed. But no legal action is taken. Legal action is only ever an issue if it’s illicit drugs. There are a few exceptions such as with opiates or drugs like Ritalin.”

ETA: Documents CAN’T be filled out in advance. The order is you have them sent, they get stopped, you provide relevant information, you get your package.