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James Henderson 10 Minutes to 6 Vid

Mike Siegler is a stronger raw bencher and weighs less…

“thank you very much” everytime he said it I laughed.

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
The guy is a physical freak. He also sounds like a complete idiot.

that is exactly the reason why i always watch training videos with the sound turned off.

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well the sounding like an idiot thing makes me feel superior. So I prefer to keep the sound on.

[quote]masonator wrote:
Mike Siegler is a stronger raw bencher and weighs less…[/quote]

This guy has hit 711 raw in competition. What has Siegler done?

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
masonator wrote:
Mike Siegler is a stronger raw bencher and weighs less…

This guy has hit 711 raw in competition. What has Siegler done?[/quote]

Not that lol. I was just going on the video.

Edit: Can you find a vid of that? Not doubting, but I wanna watch it and it’s not on youtube.

I answered my own question. He is apparently doing 675-700 in this video:
www.ironscene.com/videos/754_james_henderson_bench_press

[quote]Bigpull wrote:
“thank you very much” everytime he said it I laughed.[/quote]

haha me too

[quote]masonator wrote:
I answered my own question. He is apparently doing 675-700 in this video:
www.ironscene.com/videos/754_james_henderson_bench_press[/quote]

Glad you found that, ‘cause I had nothin’. As a side, was that the ol’ Christian power team or whatever? The guys who were “Benchin’ for Christ!!!”?When I was little those guys got so crunk I wanted to beat people up.

Have to say, a guy like this commands far more respect than a chump who benches in triple ply gear, using tight wraps, with elbows tucked and a 4" working ROM.

I’m a bit surprised that no one has yet commented (here or on Youtube) that “he could lift more weight if he tucked his elbows.” In other words, if he cheated. I bet someone will come along and say that eventually.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Have to say, a guy like this commands far more respect than a chump who benches in triple ply gear, using tight wraps, with elbows tucked and a 4" working ROM.

I’m a bit surprised that no one has yet commented (here or on Youtube) that “he could lift more weight if he tucked his elbows.” In other words, if he cheated. I bet someone will come along and say that eventually.[/quote]

He be trollin’

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Have to say, a guy like this commands far more respect than a chump who benches in triple ply gear, using tight wraps, with elbows tucked and a 4" working ROM.

I’m a bit surprised that no one has yet commented (here or on Youtube) that “he could lift more weight if he tucked his elbows.” In other words, if he cheated. I bet someone will come along and say that eventually.[/quote]

here’s a two part article i just wrote… i’m sure you will enjoy it.

http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting.htm

http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting.htm

thank ya very much…NOW GET OUT THE WAY!

EASY AS ICE CREAM

he’s like the Ronnie Coleman of PLing

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Have to say, a guy like this commands far more respect than a chump who benches in triple ply gear, using tight wraps, with elbows tucked and a 4" working ROM.

I’m a bit surprised that no one has yet commented (here or on Youtube) that “he could lift more weight if he tucked his elbows.” In other words, if he cheated. I bet someone will come along and say that eventually.

here’s a two part article i just wrote… i’m sure you will enjoy it.

http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting.htm

http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting.htm [/quote]

people think pulling sumo is cheating these days? lmao

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Have to say, a guy like this commands far more respect than a chump who benches in triple ply gear, using tight wraps, with elbows tucked and a 4" working ROM.

I’m a bit surprised that no one has yet commented (here or on Youtube) that “he could lift more weight if he tucked his elbows.” In other words, if he cheated. I bet someone will come along and say that eventually.

here’s a two part article i just wrote… i’m sure you will enjoy it.

http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting.htm

http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting.htm [/quote]

Meat, both links went to the same article.

That is good shit though. There are a lot of guys that could benefit by simply learning how to perform the 3 lifts in a more efficient manner.

Nominal Prospect, I really hope that was sarcasm.

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Have to say, a guy like this commands far more respect than a chump who benches in triple ply gear, using tight wraps, with elbows tucked and a 4" working ROM.

I’m a bit surprised that no one has yet commented (here or on Youtube) that “he could lift more weight if he tucked his elbows.” In other words, if he cheated. I bet someone will come along and say that eventually.

here’s a two part article i just wrote… i’m sure you will enjoy it.

http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting.htm

http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting.htm

Meat, both links went to the same article.

That is good shit though. There are a lot of guys that could benefit by simply learning how to perform the 3 lifts in a more efficient manner.

Nominal Prospect, I really hope that was sarcasm.[/quote]

hopefully this is part 2.
http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting2.htm

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
hopefully this is part 2.
http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting2.htm
[/quote]

Nice. Thanks meat.

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
hopefully this is part 2.
http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting2.htm

Nice. Thanks meat.[/quote]

thanks hoss!!! i’m working on another one right now.

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
hopefully this is part 2.
http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/other/2009/how-to-cheat-in-powerlifting2.htm

Nice. Thanks meat.

thanks hoss!!! i’m working on another one right now.

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Yeah, nice articles there…CHEATER. lol

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Nominal Prospect, I really hope that was sarcasm.[/quote]

Not in the least. What on earth is there to be sarcastic about?

As I said, the strength achievements of a guy like James Henderson stand head and shoulders above any lifter who benches in gear or uses powerlifting-style form.

The way he chooses to lift makes each exercise much more difficult, hence he must be far stronger than others.

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
That is good shit though. There are a lot of guys that could benefit by simply learning how to perform the 3 lifts in a more efficient manner.[/quote]

Yes, I suppose there are. The absolute, most efficient way to lift an 600 lb. loaded barbell is with a forklift, you know.

Why bother getting under the bar at all?

Seriously.

At what point do you draw the line?

I’m extremely well aware of the fact that the sport of powerlifting is all about lifting as much weight as possible.

And I use that as direct proof to back up my assertion that most powerlifters are cheaters.

See, you’re not telling me anything I don’t already know. I have read all of your excuses many times before. Any time this issue is raised, the ensuing discussion always plays out the same way.

I “expect” to be told to “shutup until you can bench 600”. I won’t.

I “expect” someone to rehash Louie Simmon’s quote about a bench shirt sitting in a locker never having benched any weight on it’s own. That’s laughable. It’s 3rd-grade stuff. A crane also requires a human operator in order to function. I assume then, that you wouldn’t consider it cheating if I were to use one to compete in your sport?

You assume that I’m one of “the ignorant masses” who needs to be indoctrinated in the ways of your sport, but in reality, I know much about powerlifting…it’s just that, unlike you, I haven’t swallowed the kool aid. I tasted it and spit it out.

The fact that “your federation sanctions it” doesn’t mean jack squat to me. Why would I care about your federation when I’m arguing that powerlifting, as a whole, is a sport based upon “cheating”, which is defined as doing as little work as possible in order to accomplish a given feat? This mentality is antithetical to nearly every other sport.

I know it’s “all about the total”. You needn’t inform me. I’m using that very fact to prove my point.

I’m not an ignorant outsider, I’m a conscious, fully-informed dissident, a traitor-from-within.

Should this discussion continue on its present course, I would expect to see lots of whining and not one coherent challenge to my assertion that lifting raw, Henderson-style, is more difficult and therefore more impressive than the alternative.