[quote]T-Nick wrote:
keaster wrote:
T-Nick wrote:
Alright, results in. I just got off the phone with the doctor. I am going to pick up a copy of my exact bloodwork and post it up here tomorrow, but until then, he told me alot over the phone and i tried to write down as much as I could in the meantime.
Basically, all of my thyroid, liver, cholesterol functions were normal.
My Glucose was 66.
My DHEA was high. 520. He actually asked me if i was on DHEA, and I started laughing. He then asked me if I ever had acne problems as a teenager. Dam this guy is smart. He said that my DHEA levels were probably even higher then and could have been part of the problem.
Estradoil - 47. (10 -50) He said thats boderline. Goddammit
Total Test - 490 (300 - 1200)
Free Test - 18.9
Growth Hormone - Here is the tricky thing. He said my growth hormone was low for someone my age (WTF?) It was 176 I believe was the number.
Anyways, the good news. I did my homework and its paying off now. This doctor is the man. He’s like “I would like to see your test levels between 900 - 1100. Test enanthanate once weekly and hCG twice weekly would be the way to go.”
He is also concerned about my estradoil. He recommended a anti-estrogen as well. Can’t remember the name. Again this was a long conversation, and he called me out of the blue today on a busy day for me.
So, I guess I have alot of hard, important decisions to mull over. I will be posting up my exact blood work in complete detail tomorrow.
Until then, EVERYONE chime in, Cy if you could that would be great
Excellent.
Estradiol is elevated. Optimal is between 10 and 30. It is also important to control to keep SHBG down, thus keeping free test up.
A good AI is arimidex at .25mg e3d or ,if still elevated, .50 eod. Keeping estadial in this range of 10-30 will keep sex drive and mood in check. Too low and to high are not good.
That is about the same range my doc wants me in. Currently trying to get to that level with HCG monotherapy at 350iu EOD (soon to be on andorgel or test e).
I know some people dont like Dr. John Crisler, but you should check his website out and read TRT, a recipe for success, and HCG update. A lot of docs use that same dosing schedule.
Great find on the doctor
Thanks for the response and yea, this guy is the shit.
He is willing to get me started now. I told him I needed a few days to mull it over.
He basically wants me on
Test Enanthanate
Anti E (forgot which one, its a tablet taken once a day)
hcG
He mentioned growth hormone as well. Im a little hesitant about that. He said it was low for a 27 year old, about HALF what he would like it to be. Test I can handle. Growth hormone kinda scares me.
As far as Test goes, Im thinking once weekly 100mg. Any opinions?
This guy is extremely open minded. He basically said I can go whatever route I want and adjust the dosages to what i want, as long as Im within the “safe” ranges. He said weekly or bi weekly injections, whatever I want. He mentioned anrogel and other forms, whatever I wanted.
The one thing Im trying to figure out is how in the hell do I have elevated estrogen? I live a dam clean lifestyle, exercise like a motherfucker, don’t drink or use drugs. This is what i mean when I talk about xenoestrogens. If I can have an elevated estrogen, anyone can(and probably does)
Thanks. Any other ideas people? [/quote]
Most docs start guys on Androgel. My doc lets you have a choice between androgel, Test e, Andriol, and HCG monotherapy for those under 25.
The typical replacement dose is 100 mg a week. Most will split this dose up to two times a week. Some guys are even starting to do their injections Subq, which is shit imo. Remeber the dosage will react differently in different people.
The typical dosage to get a person to the top range of normal is 200-250mg a week.
The important thing to do would be to look at test results after the alloted time on the baseline dosage.
I wouldnt start with GH yet. Trying to get your T levels to optimal is hard enough without jumping on GH. Plus its expensive.
Most HRT docs wont give an anit e until follow up labs are run for the baseline testosterone dosage. Many say that they see reductions in estrogen with therapy. Also, most docs will not give HCG until everything os sorted put.
I would hold off on the HCG for awhile until you get everything stable. HCG is difficult to get right. It increases aromatization to a significant degree.
It also makes your balls massive (I know it did for me).
Try to get arimidex as a AI. Getting estrogen right is important. To high and you will be depressed and have trouble getting an erection. You will also bloat up, get gyno, have prostate issues etc. To low and you will feel lethargic and you wont be able to get an erection (sometimes even cialis/viagra wont help)
Make sure you keep us updated.
One more thing were you having symptoms of low t?