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Israelis Evacuated Before Hotel Attack


Scores dead in three Amman hotel bombings; Israelis evacuated before attack
By Yoav Stern and Zohar Blumenkrantz

Bombs rocked three hotels in Amman late last night, killing at least 57 people and wounding more than 115 in apparent suicide attacks. One of the hotels is known to be popular with Israeli tourists.

“There were three terrorist attacks on the Grand Hyatt, Radisson SAS and Days Inn hotels, and it is believed that the blasts were suicide bombings,” police spokesman Major Bashir al-Da’aja told The Associated Press. He declined to elaborate.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attacks.

A police official said the attacks were simultaneous and hit minutes before 9 P.M. in two districts in the Jordanian capital, including the commercial area of Jebel Amman and Al-Rabiyeh, which houses the Israeli Embassy.

A number of Israelis staying yesterday at the Radisson SAS were evacuated before the bombing by Jordanian security forces, apparently due to a specific security alert. They were escorted back to Israel by security personnel.

The Foreign Ministry stated yesterday that no Israeli tourists are known to have been injured in the blasts. Representatives of Israel’s embassy in Amman were I contact with local authorities to examine any report of injured Israelis, but none were received. There are often a number of Israeli businessman and tourists in Amman, including in the hotels hit yesterday.

Israel’s counter-terror headquarters yesterday recommended Israeli citizens not travel in Jordan. Travel recommendations regarding Jordan were tightened a few months ago, but many Israelis still visit the country. Many also visit other regions such as the Jordanian Arava and the ancient city of Petra.

The first bomber, at 8:50 P.M. local time, struck the Grand Hyatt, completely shattering the stone entrance. An AP reporter saw at least seven bodies removed from the hotel and many more wounded carried out on stretchers.

CNN reported an eyewitness saying the Jordanian prime minister’s car was at the Grand Hyatt at the time of the blast.

Police said a second explosion hit the nearby Radisson SAS hotel, where about 250 people were attending a wedding reception. At least five were killed and at least 20 wounded in that blast, believed to have been caused by a bomb placed in a false ceiling, police sources at the scene told Reuters.

The Radisson, in particular, is popular with Israeli tourists and was a target of several foiled Al-Qaida plots in the past.

Police also reported a third explosion at the Days Inn Hotel in Amman. There were also casualties at that hotel.

“The attacks carry the trademark of Al-Qaida,” one police official said on condition of anonymity in line with police regulations. “However, it is not certain. We are investigating.”

Ayman al-Safadi, editor of Jordan’s Al-Ghad newspaper, told the Al-Arabiya satellite network that it was a “terrorist operation.”

“Finally, the terrorists succeeded in breaking the security in Jordan,” he said, referring to past success in foiling many terror plots.

Jordan’s King Abdullah II condemned the attack, saying, “Justice will pursue the criminals” behind the Amman suicide attacks, CNN reported. Abdullah, who was on an official visit to Kazakhstan, cut short his trip and was returning home last night.

The Grand Hyatt and Radisson SAS hotels, in the commercial Jebel Amman district, are located about one kilometer apart and are frequented by American and European businessmen and diplomats. The Days Inn is located three kilometers away.

An American businessman who was at the Grand Hyatt when the explosion occurred said a “bomb that went off in the lobby.” He declined to identify himself.

“It was a miracle that we made it out with a scratch,” said a British guest at the Grand Hyatt.

“We thought it was fireworks for the wedding but I saw people falling to the ground,” said Ahmed, a wedding guest at the Radisson who did not give his surname. “I saw blood. There were people killed. It was ugly.”

Jordan, a key ally of both the United States and Israel, had largely escaped the terror attacks that have hit other parts of the Middle East, and its sleepy capital, Amman, is viewed as a haven of stability in the region.

But Jordan has not been entirely immune: On Aug. 19, militants fired three Katyusha rockets at a U.S. Navy ship docked at the Red Sea resort of Aqaba, narrowly missing it and killing a Jordanian soldier.

Jordanian officials blamed that attack on Al-Qaida in Iraq, and there have been growing worries that the violence in Iraq could spill over into Jordan, where many Iraqi exiles have taken refuge from the violence…

Another interesting tidbit, this from a CNN article:

Officials from other governments, however, were among the dead. Four Palestinians, including Maj. Gen. Bashir Nafeh, head of Palestinian military intelligence, died in the blast at the Grand Hyatt, according to chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat. Also killed was Col. Abed Allun; Jihad Fattouh, the brother of the Palestinian parliament speaker; and Mosab Khoma, Erakat said. The four were on their way back from Cairo, Egypt, he said, adding that he condemned the attack in the strongest terms possible.

In addition, three Chinese were killed and one wounded in the attacks, according to the Chinese news agency Xinhua, which cited a press release on the Chinese Foreign Ministry’s Web site. They were members of a delegation from China’s University of National Defense and were staying at one of the hotels, according to the report. Which hotel was not specified.

China has been heavily involved in the middle east lately as far as spy activity goes. Would be interesting to know if they were staying at the same hotel…

Remember the lies that no Jews were killed in the 9/11 attacks?

I would take this report that the Israelis evacuated with a grain if salt.

Is the implication that Israel committed the bombing? Or is it that they have really good intelligence?

It is always wise to question anything coming from CNN unless there is corroborating evidence from a credible source. CNN has its own agenda that has nothing to do with the truth.

[quote]doogie wrote:
Is the implication that Israel committed the bombing? Or is it that they have really good intelligence?[/quote]

If it’s true that israelis were evacuated, why wasn’t the entire hotel evacuated?

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
doogie wrote:
Is the implication that Israel committed the bombing? Or is it that they have really good intelligence?

If it’s true that israelis were evacuated, why wasn’t the entire hotel evacuated?[/quote]

Zarqawi already claimed responsibility for the attacks.

A number of Israelis staying yesterday at the Radisson SAS were evacuated before the bombing by Jordanian security forces, apparently due to a specific security alert. They were escorted back to Israel by security personnel.

Why would the Jordanians help the Israelis if this was a conspiracy?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Remember the lies that no Jews were killed in the 9/11 attacks?

I would take this report that the Israelis evacuated with a grain if salt. [/quote]

I’d generally agree with you 100% here, but Ha’aretz is a pretty mainstream Israeli paper, as far as I know.

They may have been evacuated by the Jordanian security forces as the article states, but I doubt it was part of a grand plan masterminded by Israel.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
They may have been evacuated by the Jordanian security forces as the article states, but I doubt it was part of a grand plan masterminded by Israel.[/quote]

Nope they’re probably just psychic.

Odigo says workers were warned two hours before attack

London Bombing
Report: Israel Was Warned Ahead of First Blast

Just another Al Qaeda attack…

MOSSAD Can Target U.S. Forces, Framing Arabs
The Washington Times
September 10, 2001
A 68-page paper by the Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS) does provide a look at the daunting task any international peacekeeping force would face if the United Nations authorized it, and Israel and the Palestinians ever reached a peace agreement.

It calls Israel’s armed forces a "500-pound gorilla in Israel. Well armed and trained. Operates in both Gaza and the West Bank. Known to disregard international law to accomplish mission.

Of the MOSSAD, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: “Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.”

The White Van
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?
ABC News
June 22, 2002
The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men’s faces. “They were like happy, you know… They didn’t look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange,” she said.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

Suspects `filmed New York atrocities’
September 13, 2001
There are reports five men suspected of being involved in the attack on the World Trade Centre set up cameras to record the atrocity.

The men set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers.

The New York Times reports they congratulated each other when the crashes occurred.

Israel pulls a fast one - and gets caught
This demonstrates that an Israeli connection to the worst terrorist atrocity in our history is not an “urban myth,” as one Justice Department spokesperson put it, but a sinister and increasingly likely possibility.

But I have a question: If the Israelis are running phony “Al Qaeda” cells in Palestine and Lebanon, why not in South Florida, or New York?

2 found with video of Sears Tower
PLYMOUTH – Two men whom police described as Middle Eastern were detained in the township by federal immigration authorities after being found with detailed video footage of the Sears Tower in Chicago.

The manager was able to provide township police with the Florida registration number of the tractor-trailer and said that a sign posted on the side of the vehicle read “Moving Systems Incorporated” and included a phone number, police said.

Israeli men arrested after high-speed chase in Unicoi County
ERWIN, Tenn. (AP) - No bond was set Monday for two Israeli men who were arrested after leading the Unicoi County sheriff on a high-speed chase in a rented moving truck.

Lawson said the vial contained a “fuel source,” but he added that it hasn’t been identified and authorities were treating it with caution.

Once the men were apprehended, officers also found a “Learn to Fly” brochure in the truck, leading Harris and others to express concern about security at the Nuclear Fuel Services plant in Erwin.

“I got a sick feeling when I saw it,” Harris said.

Police Seize Rental Truck With TNT Traces
May 13, 2002
A Budget truck was pulled over in Oak Harbor, Wash., last Tuesday near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station and found to have traces of TNT on the gearshift and traces of RDX plastic explosive on the steering wheel, Fox News has learned.

A bomb-sniffing dog first detected explosives on one of the men and inside the truck. High-tech equipment was used later to confirm the presence of TNT and RDX plastic explosive.

Documents read to Fox News indicate that both driver and passenger were Israeli nationals.

Security Scare Shuts Kings Bay
May 22, 2004
ST. MARYS, Ga. – Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base was locked down for security reasons Friday after two Israelis were detained for questioning.

Base spokesman Ed Buczek said two Israeli men attempted to enter the base about 10:30 a.m. They were hired by a moving-and-storage company to pick up some household goods in base housing, he said.

Base personnel then inspected the van. Military dogs trained to detect bombs were called in.

“The military dogs were alerted to a scent in the cab of the truck,” Buczek said. “Guards closed access to the base and notified the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service.”

Israeli Movers In Sub Base Security Scare Freed
The arrest of the two Israelis, Tamir David Sasson, 24, and Daniel Henry Levy, 23, prompted a security scare that shut down the Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base in Georgia, home port for 10 of the nation’s 18 submarines armed with nuclear missiles.

Moreover it marked the second time in two weeks that Israelis in moving vans have been apprehended under suspicious circumstances near U.S. nuclear facilities.

Allies and espionage
Jane’s Defence
13 March 2002
It is rather strange that the US media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks - the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA.

A massive bomb inside a Ryder rental truck exploded, blowing half of the nine-story building into oblivion…

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:

Odigo says workers were warned two hours before attack

This article just says that two people who worked for Odigo received information about the 9/11 attacks ahead of time. It doesn’t give any indication of the ethnicity or nationality of the people who received the warning. What’s your point?

This one just says that Scottland Yard figured out Israel was going to be the target of an attack in London. What’s your point?
Just another Al Qaeda attack…

No such article shows up in the Washington Times archives. Why not post a direct link to the original article?

Again, can you link to the original story from ABC news?

Again, the article doesn’t mention the ethnicity or nationality of the suspects. What’s you point? The article also doesn’t show up anywhere on the NY Times’ website. Can you post a direct link to the original article?

Antiwar.com? This article is not even worth your insane time.

2 middle eastern men were scoping out the Sears Tower. What’s your point?

Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press

Do you have any idea as to what actually became of this case, or are you just happy making it look ominous?

Any clue of what became of this?

Can you find the original article for this?

The “MadCowMorningNews”. Seriously? You are pasting artilces form the “MadCowMorningNews”? Wow.

“If the reports from Paris are correct, it would be the largest known Israeli espionage operation in the USA, Israel?s closest ally and one on which it depends for its survival.”

If “ifs and buts” were “candy and nuts” we’d all have a merry Xmas.

Um. So?


Have you thought about referring JustTheFacts (Oxymoron?) to the aluminum hat thread?

[quote]doogie wrote:
If “ifs and buts” were “candy and nuts” we’d all have a merry Xmas.[/quote]

Your trying awfully hard not to see the point. The fact that some articles DON’T mention specific nationality isn’t somewhat curious to you? The fact remains those caught casing the Sears Tower WERE Israelis’.

Sept. 11 riddles remain
In October 2001, the Plymouth Township Police Department detained three Israelis - Moshe Elmakias, Ron Katar and Ayelet Reisler - who were suspected of dumping furniture behind Pizzeria Uno on Ridge Pike, according to an Oct. 17, 2001, article in The Times Herald.

The suspects were riding in a tractor-trailer truck bearing the name “Moving Systems Incorporated.” The vehicle was loaded with furniture. The company name is oddly similar to one used by the New Jersey men arrested on Sept. 11. Police also discovered a videotape that had footage of the Sears Tower in Chicago.

Chicago, L.A. towers were next targets
March 30, 2004
LONDON - Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, al Qaeda’s purported operations chief, has told U.S. interrogators that the group had been planning attacks on the Library Tower in Los Angeles and the Sears Tower in Chicago on the heels of the September 11, 2001, terror strikes.

If you noticed the recurring theme happened to be the moving vans:
Movers’ ring uses shady tactics, illegal workers, watchdogs say
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
April 14, 2002
After Sept. 11, more than 60 Israelis, many of whom were working for moving companies, were deported for visa violations.

For instance, five college students from Israel working illegally for Urban Moving Systems, a New York City company, were deported. On Sept. 14, that company closed its doors and its owner went back to Israel, abandoning a collection of New Jersey warehouses where people’s goods were stored.

“Israelis are to moving as Japanese are to cars,” said Tommy Chanz, a spokesman for Advanced Moving Systems in Sunrise, Fla.

direct link:
Security scare shuts Kings Bay - subscription reqd

The fact that this stuff wasn’t big news in the wake of 9/11 makes it all the more curious but it’s all 100% verifiable.

But really the best piece ever done about the Israeli spy ring was a four part series by FOX believe it or not. I suggest you watch it.
Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?

[quote]Jammer40 wrote:
It is always wise to question anything coming from CNN unless there is corroborating evidence from a credible source. CNN has its own agenda that has nothing to do with the truth.[/quote]

Does anybody else think that CNN is biased? Im a CNN fanatic

[quote]The Mage wrote:

Have you thought about referring JustTheFacts (Oxymoron?) to the aluminum hat thread?

You shouldn’t lead with your strongest point.

FOX News - part of the “tinfoil hat” crowd
Video: Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?

U.S. Police and Intelligence Hit by Spy Network
Spies Tap Police and Government Phones
Dec. 19, 2001
In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack, the FBI has stumbled on the largest espionage ring ever discovered inside the United States. The U.S. Justice Department is now holding nearly 100 Israeli citizens with direct ties to foreign military, criminal and intelligence services.

The spy ring reportedly includes employees of two Israeli-owned companies that currently perform almost all the official wiretaps for U.S. local, state and federal law enforcement.

The U.S. law enforcement wiretaps, authorized by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), appear to have been breached by organized crime units working inside Israel and the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad.

I wouldn’t worry about it.

Israel blacklisted by U.S.
American International Trade Commission says Israel among world’s major intellectual property violators
WASHINGTON - Israel is among the world’s worst offenders when it comes to violation of intellectual property rights, a U.S. International Trade Commission report says.

The Commission decided to blacklist Israel as one of 14 countries identified as serious infringers when it comes to the protection of intellectual property.

Israeli firms ‘ran vast spy ring’
31 May 2005
Police in Israel say they have uncovered a huge industrial spying ring which used computer viruses to probe the systems of many major companies.

Selling US Weapons To China
22 July 1998
Israel has illegally re-exported advanced US defense technology to China. The problem was first recognized in 1992 when the State Department’s inspector general reported that there was “overwhelming” evidence of a “systematic and growing pattern” of transfers. Israel has been the primary supplier of advanced defense technology to China since 1989.

CIA Asserts Israel Sold Arms Programs To Chinese Military
12 October 1993
In October 1993, the CIA, in a four-paragraph assessment provided to the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee in response to written questions on proliferation threats of the 1990s, asserted that Israel has sold China advanced military equipment worth perhaps “several billion dollars” over the past ten years; US intelligence experts are increasingly concerned that China is attempting to use Israel as a conduit for the procurement of denied Western military technology.

Israel bows to U.S. pressure over China arms deal
According to the Haaretz paper, Israel has bowed to U.S. pressure to cancel an arms deal with China and will also impose tighter controls on its weapons exports in general.

Israel-China arm deals raise tensions with US
December 17, 2004
JERUSALEM: Israeli arms deals with China have provoked tensions between Israel and its top ally the United States, a senior Israeli defence official said on Thursday.

“There are tensions, which are hidden from the public, which have appeared over the last one or two years concerning Israeli weapons sales, particularly to China,” Yuval Steinitz, head of the Israeli parliament’s defence committee, told Israeli radio.

US officials are furious at Israel for taking back a “sensitive weapons system” from China for upgrading, the channel said, although it did not identify the weapon.

Washington had permitted Israel to take the system back from China for repair, but was not authorised to upgrade it, according to the report.

U.S. Arms Sales to Israel End Up In China, Iraq
In 1996, as disclosed in the UN Register of Conventional Arms, China sold over 100 missiles and launchers to Iran, along with a handful of combat aircraft and warships. Even worse, in 1997 the New York Daily News reported that Iraq had deployed Israeli-developed, Chinese PL-8 missiles in the no-fly zones, endangering American pilots.

US blocks Israeli arms sale to Venezuela -report
20 Oct 2005
JERUSALEM, Oct 20 (Reuters) - The United States has blocked a planned sale by Israel of technology to Venezuela to upgrade its fighter planes, Israeli television said on Thursday, marking the latest in several similar bans by Israel’s biggest ally.

Imagine if they were our enemy?

Many in Jordan See Old Enemy in Attack: Israel