[quote]loppar wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Yeah, I’ve heard all that. That’s why I asked you what your problem with Israel is. Besides men and women in some orthodox communities practicing gender separation, and it reminding you of how Islam “protects” women, what critique do you have of Israeli policy?
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It’s a big deal. You can separate genders in the privacy of your house, your compound or whatever. Whenever you have creeps attacking women for sitting at the wrong end of the bus (or walking in the street without a headscarf in muslim countries, for that matter) you have an issue.
It’s just a bus, no problem.
Just a few extremists stoning schoolgirls, no problem.
Just one street during a religious holiday, no problem.
If you don’t understand this, you have problems understanding some basic concepts. Mind you, the very same thing is happening in several European countries, only in relation to Islam.
As far as Israeli foreign policy is concerned, I’ll just list a few examples:
- Losing Turkey as an ally
- Misjudging the profound shifts happening in Lebanon due to demographic factors, including the second invasion
- Failure to adequately manage West Bank after the Six Day war. There are several excellent books on this specific topic, for example Tom Segev’s 1967.
My point is, regardless of my critique, is that in the political arena in the US of A you cannot have ANY sort of discussion about this due to AIPAC’s influence.
And the fact is that no one cares that a foreign head of state featured in campaign ads (Netanyahu). And the fact is that he can openly fume about the POTUS at every available opportunity without any rebuke shows that there is something seriously wrong about the alliance.
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I am an Orthodox Jewish guy, and very familiar with the NKs. First of all, the NKs hate the secular state of Israel and want it disbanded.
They have their own private bus lines (and private train cars) and crappy neighborhoods in the old city. Been their for 2500+ years and have never left.
They are a distinct, and shrinking, minority of orthodox and Haredi.
Instead of ignoring them like everyone else, Haaretz (a far left, communist, newspaper) likes to put women on their crappy busses and piss them off for sensationalist stories because they hate all religious Jews and want us to look bad.
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As an aside, yes, there are voluntary segregated train cars in certain areas. You have women cars, men cars, and mixed cars (which are about 90% of the cars).
My wife likes to pay extra to use the women cars to avoid getting her ass pinched by perverts.
In fact, if you had “women only” cars in NYC, I bet lots of women would pay to get on them to avoid getting the “accidental crotch rub” from creeps.