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Is TRT Safe for a 67 Y/O Man?

Is it safe for a 67YO to have low testosterone? NO!

[quote]KSman wrote:
Is it safe for a 67YO to have low testosterone? NO!

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OK. Since doctors here arent going to put him on TRT, i want to do this for my dad. I am EXTREMELY worried though. Naturally, i don’t want there to be any complications. And logic tells that at 67, there are way more chances of there being complications than at…say my age…29. But i could be wrong.

How can I go about this SAFELY? Do i follow the usual protocol on TRT that is here? I would really appreciate your expertise on this.

Safely? Means he has to do all the leg work that everyone else here has to do. LABS! You don’t even know what his problems are at this point…lots of things make people feel run down and old.

[quote]dbsmith wrote:
Safely? Means he has to do all the leg work that everyone else here has to do. LABS! You don’t even know what his problems are at this point…lots of things make people feel run down and old.

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I’m asking if there are any extra precautions i should take. I know BW is essential stuff.

Im thinking:

Test E @ 200 mg /week

HCG @ 1000 iu /week

Arimidex @ 1mg /week

Blood Work before TRT and 6 months into TRT

The above if the usual TRT protocol… But does it apply to someone who is 67 y/o??
Anything else i should be doing? Any extra precautions i should be taking?

Yes the precautions you should be taking include getting your head out of your ass and taking your dad to see an actual real live doctor

[quote]Freefallin wrote:

[quote]dbsmith wrote:
Safely? Means he has to do all the leg work that everyone else here has to do. LABS! You don’t even know what his problems are at this point…lots of things make people feel run down and old.

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I’m asking if there are any extra precautions i should take. I know BW is essential stuff.

Im thinking:

Test E @ 200 mg /week

HCG @ 1000 iu /week

Arimidex @ 1mg /week

Blood Work before TRT and 6 months into TRT

The above if the usual TRT protocol… But does it apply to someone who is 67 y/o??
Anything else i should be doing? Any extra precautions i should be taking?
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YOU’RE MISSING THE POINT!

TRT is for people DIAGNOSED with hypogonadism…you’re father HAS NOT been diagnosed with anything. You can’t just look at someone and diagnose this condition. Maybe his T levels are fine (doubtful but you don’t know until you look) and it something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT causing his symptoms. Maybe is he has a whole bunch of things going on and TRT is the least of his worries. Who knows? Certainly not me having just read the very limited history you gave here.

Your question just isn’t something anyone here can answer responsibly based on what little information you gave or know about your father and there’s nothing you can say that substitutes for a good clinical exam by licensed physician.

You want safely…father needs to go to the doctor and have a physical exam, blood work needs to be done and then and only then IF he is hypogonadal would I worry about a TRT protocol.

I think the best advice has already been posted. Get your dad to visit the doctors for blood work and then evaluate. Be smart about it and don’t have tunnel vision.

A doctor WILL NOT tell him how to do a proper TRT if he is not treating him with TRT!! That should be common sense! Furthermore, a doctor WILL NOT treat him with TRT if according to the doctor, my dad’s testosterone level is NORMAL! According to the lab 129-767 ng/dL is normal for a male that is over 50.

My question is not “Based on my dad’s complaint that he is feeling old, should i treat him with TRT?”

THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM ASKING.

I AM ASKING…

Are there any extra precautions that a 67 y/o should take when running TRT? PERIOD!

I AM STILL RESEARCHING and i am trying to gather as much information as i can regarding TRT. I assume this is a place for that.

If the only advice you can give is to go to a doctor…then what is the point of this forum?!?

AGAIN…I am not asking “why my dad feels the way he does?”

I am well aware that there could be many other reasons besides low test for him to feel that way. The answer to THAT question, i will get from the doctor.

The answer to my question is what i would have gotten from a sticky “TRT for over 60 y/o men”…had there been one.

A doctor WILL NOT tell him how to do a proper TRT if he is not treating him with TRT!! That should be common sense!
Furthermore, a doctor WILL NOT treat him with TRT if according to the doctor, my dad’s testosterone level is NORMAL! 129-767 ng/dL is normal for a male that is over 50.

My question is not “Based on my dad’s complaint that he is feeling old, should i treat him with TRT?”

THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM ASKING.

I AM ASKING…

Are there any extra precautions that a 67 y/o should take when running TRT? PERIOD!

I AM STILL RESEARCHING and i am trying to gather as much information as i can regarding TRT. I assume this is a place for that.

If the only advice you can give is to go to a doctor…then what is the point of this forum?!?

AGAIN…I am not asking “why my dad feels the way he does?”

I am well aware that there could be many other reasons besides low test for him to feel that way. The answer to THAT question, i will get from the doctor.

The answer to my question is what i would have gotten from a sticky “TRT for over 60 y/o men”…had there been one.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Yes the precautions you should be taking include getting your head out of your ass and taking your dad to see an actual real live doctor[/quote]

Very articulate

Hey free sorry your getting so much negative responses some people are just assholes, u have 3 options, hunt down a doc that will do it, pay a lot of money to an anti ageing clinic or do it yourself, mens test drops 2% a year from age 30 and is nearly all gone by 60 hence why most over 65 have little to know muscle, estrogen also goes up as t goes down as we age so trt protocal for over 60 may not be that of a 29 year old, hcg prob not needed just keep t up n estrogen in check, best of luck with it im trying to get my Dad to look into it also, self administration should be the last resort but if the only option go for it just make damn sure its done right…check out allthingsmale forum you will get responses from trt expert members.

[quote]whatever22 wrote:
Hey free sorry your getting so much negative responses some people are just assholes, u have 3 options, hunt down a doc that will do it, pay a lot of money to an anti ageing clinic or do it yourself, mens test drops 2% a year from age 30 and is nearly all gone by 60 hence why most over 65 have little to know muscle, estrogen also goes up as t goes down as we age so trt protocal for over 60 may not be that of a 29 year old, hcg prob not needed just keep t up n estrogen in check, best of luck with it im trying to get my Dad to look into it also, self administration should be the last resort but if the only option go for it just make damn sure its done right…check out allthingsmale forum you will get responses from trt expert members.[/quote]

Being an asshole = swaying someone from randomly treating symptoms that could comprise about 100+ different illnesses? Since your entire response is an incoherent mess of run-on sentences, I am going to just assume you too have your head up your ass and not really put much stock in what you actually said.

OP has fixated himself on a diagnosis of hypogonadism for his father. Why? We can only speculate. But it is extremely narrow minded and honestly, if the OP is that daft, I would not recommend him to be involved at any point in the diagnosis and treatment process other than a supportive observer. He does not appear to lack the mental capacity to be anything other than a cheerleader at this point.

I mean, when 100% of the responses involve some form of “take your dad to a real doctor and quit trying to pretend that you stayed the night at Holiday Inn Express last night” and you are still arguing against that, you have to think at some point the problem is with you and not with everyone else.

That’s what COMMON SENSE would tell you anyway.

[quote]whatever22 wrote:
Hey free sorry your getting so much negative responses some people are just assholes, u have 3 options, hunt down a doc that will do it, pay a lot of money to an anti ageing clinic or do it yourself, mens test drops 2% a year from age 30 and is nearly all gone by 60 hence why most over 65 have little to know muscle, estrogen also goes up as t goes down as we age so trt protocal for over 60 may not be that of a 29 year old, hcg prob not needed just keep t up n estrogen in check, best of luck with it im trying to get my Dad to look into it also, self administration should be the last resort but if the only option go for it just make damn sure its done right…check out allthingsmale forum you will get responses from trt expert members.[/quote]

This genius advice coming from a guy who had T levels at 600+ but started TRT “just for the heck of it”…idiotic advice from an iditoic member

Yeah check out all things male, if you want to suck on the Dr. Crisler tit…not too many people would put much stock into the word of a CONVINCTED FELON like Crisler, but he has gotten some guys to obviously drink the kool-aid…if that is the route you wanna go, by all means enjoy your time there…

Yeah he should make sure son is sane.

On a more serious note check out the stickies all the recommended blood work is there. Get the necessary blood work first. If something comes up and doctors not willing to do anything look for another doctor. Last thing you want to do is put him on TRT when he does not need it.

VTballa34, you should get your estrogen levels checked buddy, unless of course you like being a bitch.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Being an asshole = swaying someone from randomly treating symptoms that could comprise about 100+ different illnesses?
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Wrong!!

Being an asshole = swaying someone into knocking you out.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Yeah check out all things male, if you want to suck on the Dr. Crisler tit…not too many people would put much stock into the word of a CONVINCTED FELON like Crisler, but he has gotten some guys to obviously drink the kool-aid…if that is the route you wanna go, by all means enjoy your time there…
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Hmmmm lets see… A prominent DOCTOR who is a “known” expert in the subject and who actually helped tons of ppl VS. a troll who says stuff like “You (too) have your head out of your ass”. “He does not appear to lack the mental capacity to be anything other than a cheerleader at this point”. “quit trying to pretend that you stayed the night at Holiday Inn Express last night”. “idiotic advice from an iditoic member”. “Yeah check out all things male, if you want to suck on the Dr. Crisler tit”.

Wow! this is so confusing…who should i pick? who should i pick??

Dr. Crisler was convicted of a crime that has NOTHING to do with his expertise.
Mike Tyson was convicted of rape but he was the best in his field…boxing. If i were to step in the ring with Mike, I would NOT not “put much stock” into the fight because he is a “convicted felon”
That comment alone shows your lack of intelligence.

So Bambi, if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.

For the adult members whose IQs are above room temperature…try constructive criticism. And before you do that, try to take time to “understand” the question being asked and then if you can, and only if you can, answer it. That requires…
a) knowledge of the subject
b) an ability to pass that knowledge (explain)
c) an ability to be coherent

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Look I’m not here to argue. I think what most of us are saying is you’re asking the wrong question.

Strictly answering your question…No, a healthy 67 year old who only has low T has no special precautions.

That said, MOST 67 year old men have other comorbities that COULD affect TRT. So as I said earlier no one can really answer that question responsibly because the answer needs to be specific for the 67 year old. Some 67 year olds will need to be concerned and some will not…depends on their other health issues.

As an aside my 70 year old father-in-law had prostate cancer a few years ago so he had hormones measured. His measured tT at 68 was 500. He was always a thin, healthy guy who probably was in the upper range in 30’s naturally. No thyroid issues or any other issues and even he is feeling his age. While most 67 year olds will be low range or hypo some won’t.

[quote]dbsmith wrote:
No, a healthy 67 year old who only has low T has no special precautions.
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Thank you! A straight-forward answer! …Its like pulling teeth!

[quote]dbsmith wrote:
That said, MOST 67 year old men have other comorbities that COULD affect TRT. So as I said earlier no one can really answer that question responsibly because the answer needs to be specific for the 67 year old. Some 67 year olds will need to be concerned and some will not…depends on their other health issues.
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See, this is where the problem is! The ASSUMPTION that i will neglect doing BW and a thorough test and start administering TRT on my dad! Even though i made it very clear from the beginning that he IS going to go to the doctor and do a blood test BEFORE TRT. That means if all is well and if the only issue is low test… then he will start with TRT.

Thats why i said…UNDERSTAND the question first before answering it.

I am asking this question to gain knowledge and to save time.

Let’s say he does BW tomorrow and everything turns out to be OK and its only that he has low test…hence a healthy 67 y/o.
then i will have to come here and ask the same question “are there any extra precautions that a 67 y/o should take when running TRT?” And then you will say it depends, then i will post up the BW, then you will say what you are saying now…“a healthy 67 year old who only has low T has no special precautions”, then i will have to research more.
Whereas, if i got the answer now, later on when he gets the results and all is well…i would be a little ahead knowledge wise.

You are assuming stuff i did not say.

Wouldnt it have been way more productive to say “let him do BW and if all is well and its only low test than follow the usual TRT protocol here. Post his results up here anyway for us to comment. BUT if something is off in his blood test results, post it up here and we will see how to proceed”

Really, Wouldnt that have been more productive and way more intelligent to say than…for instance… "suck on the Dr. Crisler tit??
Could have saved 6 days by a simple answer like that!

Anyway…Thanks for your answer again.

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You got your straight forward answer in the very first reply to the thread you fucking idiot.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Yes…[/quote]

And the second one:

[quote]dbsmith wrote:
Truth is testosterone probably makes a 67 year old feel just as good as a 37 year old and if the medical community would treat these cases men would feel much better, younger and would be healthier overall into their old age.

Most doctors consider the decline in testosterone with age to be “normal” and my guess is many will refuse to treat suboptimal test levels because it’s “normal”
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And the third one:

[quote]KSman wrote:
Is it safe for a 67YO to have low testosterone? NO!

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Why were you so confused from the answers you had already been given?
And honestly if you are one of Crisler’s nut huggers, why don’t you just go ask your question there?

The bottom line is that you have no idea how to look at bloodwork to determine if your dad needs TRT or not…so why are you even asking the question lol…are you actually going to go get this blodowork done and interpret it yourself, then go out and source all these compounds (you do realize you can’t just waltz into the local Walgreens and pick up test, hcg, adex, and a bag of chips, right?). Are you sourcing this in an underground lab? LOL There is just so much idiotic babbling coming out of your mouth that I have to conclude you are a troll. Nicely done.

And if you want to try and knock me, come at me mother fucker. Its not as if I make an effort to disguise my identity.

[quote]Freefallin wrote:

[quote]dbsmith wrote:
No, a healthy 67 year old who only has low T has no special precautions.
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Thank you! A straight-forward answer! …Its like pulling teeth!

[quote]dbsmith wrote:
That said, MOST 67 year old men have other comorbities that COULD affect TRT. So as I said earlier no one can really answer that question responsibly because the answer needs to be specific for the 67 year old. Some 67 year olds will need to be concerned and some will not…depends on their other health issues.
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See, this is where the problem is! The ASSUMPTION that i will neglect doing BW and a thorough test and start administering TRT on my dad! Even though i made it very clear from the beginning that he IS going to go to the doctor and do a blood test BEFORE TRT. That means if all is well and if the only issue is low test… then he will start with TRT.

Thats why i said…UNDERSTAND the question first before answering it.

I am asking this question to gain knowledge and to save time.

Let’s say he does BW tomorrow and everything turns out to be OK and its only that he has low test…hence a healthy 67 y/o.
then i will have to come here and ask the same question “are there any extra precautions that a 67 y/o should take when running TRT?” And then you will say it depends, then i will post up the BW, then you will say what you are saying now…“a healthy 67 year old who only has low T has no special precautions”, then i will have to research more.
Whereas, if i got the answer now, later on when he gets the results and all is well…i would be a little ahead knowledge wise.

You are assuming stuff i did not say.

Wouldnt it have been way more productive to say “let him do BW and if all is well and its only low test than follow the usual TRT protocol here. Post his results up here anyway for us to comment. BUT if something is off in his blood test results, post it up here and we will see how to proceed”

Really, Wouldnt that have been more productive and way more intelligent to say than…for instance… "suck on the Dr. Crisler tit??
Could have saved 6 days by a simple answer like that!

Anyway…Thanks for your answer again.

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You know…I answered the question multiple times in multiple ways including the way you had predetermined in your head how you wanted it answered and in return I get this bull shit diatribe from you?

Here’s my new answer - FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF SLICK!

[quote]dbsmith wrote:

You know…I answered the question multiple times in multiple ways including the way you had predetermined in your head how you wanted it answered and in return I get this bull shit diatribe from you?

Here’s my new answer - FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF SLICK!

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The dude definitely has issues. I hope he is able to get the help he needs.