I get irritated when I see bodybuilders acting like a particular supplement got them to where they are in advertisements. I’m sorry but no legal supplement can compare to the results they get from juice. I don’t judge them for taking it, I wish I could get some sometimes…I just don’t like my intelligence being insulted.
[quote]adamhum wrote:
I get irritated when I see bodybuilders acting like a particular supplement got them to where they are in advertisements. I’m sorry but no legal supplement can compare to the results they get from juice. I don’t judge them for taking it, I wish I could get some sometimes…I just don’t like my intelligence being insulted.[/quote]
Don’t hate the player. If I ever reach a certain level and HuscleKeck offered me 50 grand just to say, “Yeah I used this product to do this” you bet your ass I’d be doing the same. I’m sure we all would.
Great article overall…and true.
[quote]adamhum wrote:
I get irritated when I see bodybuilders acting like a particular supplement got them to where they are in advertisements. I’m sorry but no legal supplement can compare to the results they get from juice. I don’t judge them for taking it, I wish I could get some sometimes…I just don’t like my intelligence being insulted.[/quote]
Gotta earn money somehow, no?
It’s not like people who have some experience fall for that shit.
bodybuilders do use a lot of drugs, this is true
but im also sure that article was really over hyped and exaggerated.
if you want people to read your stuff, youre gonna have to dress em up.
thats why you shouldnt always believe everything you read or hear.
I read this article in Ironman…
… WHEN IT WAS ON THE NEWSSTAND!
I was 18 years old at the time.
I think that the article is sensational. I know a few amateur and pro bodybuilders from the Long Island and NYC area; none of them are dropping like flies; but then again, I have no idea what goes on in their doctor’s office visits or their personal lives.
There is some truth to the article though. Quite a few bodybuilders have gotten sick from heavy drug use.
And MANY amateur and pro bodybuilders have done gay sex work for money. Carl Hardwick (err, I mean Rusty Jeffers) comes to mind! So does Bruce Patterson, who has done all-out gay-sex porn. Dan Duchaine actually wrote something in his Dirty Dieting Newslettr similar to “I couldn’t get over how many loads Bruce Patterson took on his face.” Check out Bruce’s website that features him strangling and lifting pencil-neck geeks. It’s quite comical! 
Chris Duffy also did gay-sex work with the name Bull Stanton.
A lot of this shit IS real; I guess when guys have an annual food-and-drug bill of 50k and your whole day has to be centered around sleeping, eating, and training with little error (you know: no real job with a boss who doesn’t give a shit about your meal or the fact that you have to leave to go to the gym), they have to resort to some eccentric alternatives to earn money.
I don’t know why some of you are acting like there’s no way this article could possible be true. Are you so naive that you think bodybuilders don’t use massive amounts of drugs? Or do you not understand that some of the stuff they use is experimental and very new so that they can try and get an edge on the competition? How do you not see the dangers in this? The shit they use is potentially dangerous and their lifestyle is a dangerous one.
I’m not saying I don’t respect these guys, I know they worked hard to get where they are, but I definitely would not want to be in their shoes. Especially considering most of the pros get paid next to nothing.
I wish bodybuilders would go back to the classic look but there doesn’t seem to be any way to make that happen. There’s too much money in the freak show they have going now to change it
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Rape Weight wrote:
Craig Titus was vocal about similar things. The depravity of the behind-the-scenes lives of [some] pros is almost heartbreaking.
I don’t understand why people don’t get that there’s a lot more that goes on in the lifestyle of a pro bodybuilder than what you see in their youtube videos. It’s easy to claim an interview has no merit but when the same information is coming out at different times and from different sources maybe there’s more to it than an anti-steroid agenda.
Well ain’t Craig Titus a chatty Cathy. Ex of depravity: Kovacs’ alleged butt wiping with a beach towel because he couldn’t reach. Sure there are some narly skeletons to be exposed but events are rarely reported[/quote]
Ya man, cause (for example) Kai Greene fucking a grapefruit for money wasn’t news at any time…
I’m just saying that brushing articles and interviews similar to this off is a very naive way of looking at things.
This shit is from over a decade ago and no one has died in that time. In fact, the “sport” has changed greatly for the better…which brings the question of why it is being reposted now.
It is like since they can’t find enough shit to talk about recently, they have to go back to the last millennium for dirt.
[quote]optheta wrote:
But it does bring up a good question as to the state of Professional Bodybuilding today. I mean have they really have gotten to big? Why is bodybuilding not as popular as it was back in year of Arnold etc. Why did it lose its limelite?[/quote]
There was that whole war on drugs thing. Most Americans swallow all the BS about drugs that the government and media cook up, and they don’t have any problem lumping steroid users and crack dealers together. High-profile fiascos like Lisa Lyons and other bodybuilders burning out on (non-steroid) drugs didn’t help any.
And the focus on incredible mass building hasn’t helped, either. Body builders have gone from looking like the platonic ideal athletes to looking like freakish comic book villains. Those 350 pound guys with awful fake tans and exploding veins might look cool to other bodybuilders, but they freak everybody else the fuck out. And don’t even get me started on the women. Compare those to Arnold and Lisa Lyons and its not hard to see why bodybuilding isn’t a sport most people want to look at.
[quote]supabeast wrote:
optheta wrote:
But it does bring up a good question as to the state of Professional Bodybuilding today. I mean have they really have gotten to big? Why is bodybuilding not as popular as it was back in year of Arnold etc. Why did it lose its limelite?
There was that whole war on drugs thing. Most Americans swallow all the BS about drugs that the government and media cook up, and they don’t have any problem lumping steroid users and crack dealers together. High-profile fiascos like Lisa Lyons and other bodybuilders burning out on (non-steroid) drugs didn’t help any.
And the focus on incredible mass building hasn’t helped, either. Body builders have gone from looking like the platonic ideal athletes to looking like freakish comic book villains. Those 350 pound guys with awful fake tans and exploding veins might look cool to other bodybuilders, but they freak everybody else the fuck out. And don’t even get me started on the women. Compare those to Arnold and Lisa Lyons and its not hard to see why bodybuilding isn’t a sport most people want to look at.
[/quote]
I want you to point out even ONE 350lbs bodybuilder doing well in competition today. Hell, show one competing now period short of Quincy Taylor who is a giant in all regards to say the least…and he doesn’t even compete at that weight.
Further, this has NEVER been a widely accepted sport so the opinion of the general public matters little and never truly has.
Kai Greene - the talk of T-mag - has also posed (no sex) for gay videos.
^ Covered that one.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Kovacs’ alleged butt wiping with a beach towel because he couldn’t reach. Sure there are some narly skeletons to be exposed but events are rarely reported[/quote]
Actually a good friend of mine was a witness to this when he hired Kovacs to guest pose for his show and went to check up on him in his hotel room.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
optheta wrote:
But it does bring up a good question as to the state of Professional Bodybuilding today. I mean have they really have gotten to big? Why is bodybuilding not as popular as it was back in year of Arnold etc. Why did it lose its limelite?
I remember watching a video of Ronnie Coleman saying that “someday people will realize were just like any other sport.” It used to be like that but it went back to being underground 
aww hell no! don’t /thread me. jk lol! I think certain aspects of bodybuilding have gone mainstream. Look around you. The boom of the supplement industry. Someone wants to get big. I walk into my new facility and see maybe 2 guys no counting myself that are there to take care of business. The rest of the population all want the same thing we strive for and punish our bodies to accomplish but a a lesser cost.
Need I say it? Fuck yeah! “Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but ain’t nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weights! I do it though!” -King Coleman. Hearing him say, “I do it though” fucking fires me up to the point that upon the conclusion of this post I’m going to go train. Proudly proclaiming his deviance from the norm. The sport has gone mainstream to a lesser degree.
Everybody wants decent to big arms, a proud chest, cannon ball delts and by default live the lifestyle to a lesser degree. This halfbreed sees Coleman and says, “eww” while the true aspiring bodybuilder sees the man behind the 8 Sandows. The halfbreed stops when the burn in the bicep curl begins. The “few” push through the pain, drop that weight and continue until the burn is so intense the mind has to quickly block out the trauma. The differences are many and my time is exhausted.
My concluding statements are: certain aspects of the sport have gone mainstream but due to the view that society has regarding certain necessary factors the sport will never flourish. [/quote]
Actually, most people don’t give a shit about building big muscles; so I wouldn’t call them half-breeds, considering they don’t have that aspiration in the first place!
I USED TO care about being huge; actually, my highest bodyweight - a blend of a lot of muscle and a bit of fat - was 245# at 5’10"; that’s when I actually wanted to get seriously involved in bodybuilding and powerlifting.
My priorities and interests in life have VASTLY changed; I now weigh a lean 220# and really wouldn’t mind being 200#. Life has actually been A WHOLE LOT EASIER AND FUN this year than when I was a bodybuilding fanatic.
Actually, I met my current girlfriend three weeks after saying to myself, “I so don’t care about being huge anymore.”
I’m not a halfbreed because I couldn’t care less about being overly jacked anymore.
I still take fitness and lifting very seriously. I lift three times per week on a TBT program and do much more cardio and flexibility work; plus I now have the energy and time to spread over playing schoolyard sports like handball and b-ball which in turn has let me develop new friendships and acquaintanceship.
I’ve also been more involved in career development and volunteer work.
I think some T-men might want to think about how different some other people’s priorities are; many of them SO DON’T CARE about being jacked.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Kovacs’ alleged butt wiping with a beach towel because he couldn’t reach. Sure there are some narly skeletons to be exposed but events are rarely reported
Actually a good friend of mine was a witness to this when he hired Kovacs to guest pose for his show and went to check up on him in his hotel room.[/quote]
Actually, a close friend of mine managed a Musclemag International store back in the early 2000s that which Greg Kovacs, Trish Stratus, Bob Kennedy, and a few other Musclemag International paid a visit to for the staff, customers, and fans.
They all went out to dinner later that night. Kovacs couldn’t even carry his own luggage because he had trouble carrying his own weight. My friend and the others had to help him carry his stuff. He was wheezing and sweating bullets from just walking.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
supabeast wrote:
optheta wrote:
But it does bring up a good question as to the state of Professional Bodybuilding today. I mean have they really have gotten to big? Why is bodybuilding not as popular as it was back in year of Arnold etc. Why did it lose its limelite?
There was that whole war on drugs thing. Most Americans swallow all the BS about drugs that the government and media cook up, and they don’t have any problem lumping steroid users and crack dealers together. High-profile fiascos like Lisa Lyons and other bodybuilders burning out on (non-steroid) drugs didn’t help any.
And the focus on incredible mass building hasn’t helped, either. Body builders have gone from looking like the platonic ideal athletes to looking like freakish comic book villains. Those 350 pound guys with awful fake tans and exploding veins might look cool to other bodybuilders, but they freak everybody else the fuck out. And don’t even get me started on the women. Compare those to Arnold and Lisa Lyons and its not hard to see why bodybuilding isn’t a sport most people want to look at.
I want you to point out even ONE 350lbs bodybuilder doing well in competition today. Hell, show one competing now period short of Quincy Taylor who is a giant in all regards to say the least…and he doesn’t even compete at that weight.
Further, this has NEVER been a widely accepted sport so the opinion of the general public matters little and never truly has.[/quote]
And yet the general public and the bodybuilding community can look at some great examples of “what professional bodybuilding is like” and could focus more attention on folks like:
Lee Haney
Lee Labrada
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Dexter Jackson
Tony Freeman
Phil Heath
Mark Dugdale
David Henry
Peter Putnam
…and others who have exemplified professionalism, carry themselves well and in the case of folks like Henry and Dugdale, are family men.
Will it ever gain wide appeal? Unlikely, but I dislike when folks put down “Bodybuilding” because of sensationalized stories or the excesses of the bad apples. Just my 2 cents.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
optheta wrote:
But it does bring up a good question as to the state of Professional Bodybuilding today. I mean have they really have gotten to big? Why is bodybuilding not as popular as it was back in year of Arnold etc. Why did it lose its limelite?
I remember watching a video of Ronnie Coleman saying that “someday people will realize were just like any other sport.” It used to be like that but it went back to being underground
aww hell no! don’t /thread me. jk lol! I think certain aspects of bodybuilding have gone mainstream. Look around you. The boom of the supplement industry. Someone wants to get big. I walk into my new facility and see maybe 2 guys no counting myself that are there to take care of business. The rest of the population all want the same thing we strive for and punish our bodies to accomplish but a a lesser cost.
Need I say it? Fuck yeah! “Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but ain’t nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weights! I do it though!” -King Coleman. Hearing him say, “I do it though” fucking fires me up to the point that upon the conclusion of this post I’m going to go train. Proudly proclaiming his deviance from the norm. The sport has gone mainstream to a lesser degree.
Everybody wants decent to big arms, a proud chest, cannon ball delts and by default live the lifestyle to a lesser degree. This halfbreed sees Coleman and says, “eww” while the true aspiring bodybuilder sees the man behind the 8 Sandows. The halfbreed stops when the burn in the bicep curl begins. The “few” push through the pain, drop that weight and continue until the burn is so intense the mind has to quickly block out the trauma. The differences are many and my time is exhausted.
My concluding statements are: certain aspects of the sport have gone mainstream but due to the view that society has regarding certain necessary factors the sport will never flourish.
Actually, most people don’t give a shit about building big muscles; so I wouldn’t call them half-breeds, considering they don’t have that aspiration in the first place!
I USED TO care about being huge; actually, my highest bodyweight - a blend of a lot of muscle and a bit of fat - was 245# at 5’10"; that’s when I actually wanted to get seriously involved in bodybuilding and powerlifting.
My priorities and interests in life have VASTLY changed; I now weigh a lean 220# and really wouldn’t mind being 200#. Life has actually been A WHOLE LOT EASIER AND FUN this year than when I was a bodybuilding fanatic.
Actually, I met my current girlfriend three weeks after saying to myself, “I so don’t care about being huge anymore.”
I’m not a halfbreed because I couldn’t care less about being overly jacked anymore.
I still take fitness and lifting very seriously. I lift three times per week on a TBT program and do much more cardio and flexibility work; plus I now have the energy and time to spread over playing schoolyard sports like handball and b-ball which in turn has let me develop new friendships and acquaintanceship.
I’ve also been more involved in career development and volunteer work.
I think some T-men might want to think about how different some other people’s priorities are; many of them SO DON’T CARE about being jacked. [/quote]
Then they should stay the hell out of the bodybuilding forum. No offense, but there are quite a few of us who DO care about getting jacked and still manage to have all of the things you listed from a career to a relationship. The last thing they or we need is someone who isn’t as serious about making more progress professing how much they don’t want to get big. I doubt anyone here cares.
If you don’t want to gain anymore muscle, fine…keep it to yourself. Why is that even a topic of discussion on a forum clearly marked “BODYBUILDING”?
I am not sure what you wrote this for. Great, your priorities changed. Over the course of a lifetime, priorities will rise and fall for every single one of us. None of that changes the amount of focus and determination that goes into making significant physical progress.
This is not the forum for “people who don’t want any more muscle and who now are happy losing weight and not focusing so hard on bodybuilding”.
I mean, holy shit, you are not the only one with a demanding career or who has had to go to extremes at times in changing priorities to succeed at one task or another.
[quote]rohay wrote:
And yet the general public and the bodybuilding community can look at some great examples of “what professional bodybuilding is like” and could focus more attention on folks like:
Lee Haney
Lee Labrada
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Dexter Jackson
Tony Freeman
Phil Heath
Mark Dugdale
David Henry
Peter Putnam
…and others who have exemplified professionalism, carry themselves well and in the case of folks like Henry and Dugdale, are family men.
Will it ever gain wide appeal? Unlikely, but I dislike when folks put down “Bodybuilding” because of sensationalized stories or the excesses of the bad apples. Just my 2 cents.
[/quote]
Good post…but like I said, they will go back to 1997 just to drag up shit to talk about to put bodybuilding in a negative light and skip right over every single positive change seen over the last decade.
They won’t talk about Dexter Jackson being a family man… they want to discuss Kai Greene and a grapefruit. They won’t talk about Darrem Charles and how his son is getting into weightlifting while also going to a military academy…they want to talk about Greg Kovacs (who never competed and won anything and who no one would really want to look like) wiping his ass with a towel.
I personally am surprised Kovacs survived this long considering his own personal physical abuse could be seen from a mile away. I am not sure how that eclipses the positive changes made lately and how people like Brandon Curry and others have taken the field in the right direction.
If you have to go back 10 years to talk shit…just stop talking shit.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Then they should stay the hell out of the bodybuilding forum. No offense, but there are quite a few of us who DO care about getting jacked and still manage to have all of the things you listed from a career to a relationship. The last thing they or we need is someone who isn’t as serious about making more progress professing how much they don’t want to get big. I doubt anyone here cares.
If you don’t want to gain anymore muscle, fine…keep it to yourself. Why is that even a topic of discussion on a forum clearly marked “BODYBUILDING”?
I am not sure what you wrote this for. Great, your priorities changed. Over the course of a lifetime, priorities will rise and fall for every single one of us. None of that changes the amount of focus and determination that goes into making significant physical progress.
This is not the forum for “people who don’t want any more muscle and who now are happy losing weight and not focusing so hard on bodybuilding”.
I mean, holy shit, you are not the only one with a demanding career or who has had to go to extremes at times in changing priorities to succeed at one task or another.[/quote]
sometimes i think youre a dickwad…but then you go and post something this and i forgive you 