Is This Guy a Hero?

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]jawara wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jawara wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I agree with their assessment: The police do not represent anything good in the African American community…nor in my community for that matter.

However, they must come to terms with the idea that violence does not solve anything.

I bet the 12 year old girl he raped would haved loved to have some police around when this animal snatched her of the street.

I’m curious, where are you from??

Where I am from is of no matter. All police serve in the same capacity as armed thugs for the state.

That said, I never commented on the actions of the individual in question. I merely stated I agree with the speakers assessment of the police state.

I guess I just need to be matter of fact and state it plainly for the morality drum beaters:

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Seriously, collectivist thinking is your undoing.

When was the last time you ever heard of any of the Bloods Crips, MS13 or any really thugs saving anyone’s life or solving a crime??? And those same people who hate “da po leees” are going to be the same ones who dial 911 when “da block gits hot”.
Also I can honesty say that even though I am suppossed to hate the police they have done nothing but good to/for me.
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Like I said, don’t bother with him.

He perfectly illustrates the danger of stumbling upon a piece of the puzzle(read Thoreau perhaps), rubbing 2 or 3 brain cells together and then droning on that we are all collectivists.

Even Thomas Paine recognized the need to sacrifice absolute freedom for some security. Although we definitely need to return to a much smaller sense of government, you don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Our society could not exist without the order that the police bring to it. Referring to them in the collective(hmmmmm…) as “armed thugs” is nothing more than the rantings of a loon given the overall nature of the police profession in the U.S.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
GDI Inc wrote:
I’m pretty sure I’ve recently read that the US currently imprisons more people than anywhere else in the world.

But to compare that with Stalinist Russia or North Korea where they didn’t imprison people, they just dissapeared them by the thousand is ludicrous.[/quote]

I wouldn’t compare the US to any despotism. But I lived in the deep ghetto for about 12 years. There’s some real bad places here. I can’t count the number of shootings I’ve heard. It got to the point the local cops wouldn’t patrol the projects 300 yards from my house because they got sniped every time they entered the scheme. The other side of that is I’ve seen the same cops picking up envelopes on the corners. I really got no use for the guy this thread is about, but there are many different realities in this country.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
jawara wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I agree with their assessment: The police do not represent anything good in the African American community…nor in my community for that matter.

However, they must come to terms with the idea that violence does not solve anything.

I bet the 12 year old girl he raped would haved loved to have some police around when this animal snatched her of the street.

I’m curious, where are you from??

Where I am from is of no matter. All police serve in the same capacity as armed thugs for the state.

That said, I never commented on the actions of the individual in question. I merely stated I agree with the speakers assessment of the police state.

I guess I just need to be matter of fact and state it plainly for the morality drum beaters:

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Seriously, collectivist thinking is your undoing.

It cracks me up when people in the US talk about living in a police state. Yes there are things that are wrong. Yes, there is corruption but seriously, you have no idea how good you have it.[/quote]

I wish you could ge on CNN and say that.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
It cracks me up when people in the US talk about living in a police state. Yes there are things that are wrong. Yes, there is corruption but seriously, you have no idea how good you have it.[/quote]

Oh, then I guess we should just ignore all the evils committed by the state.

I don’t really care about what the rest of the world looks like compared to the US. I care that the US tries to impose its idea of freedom and democracy around the globe but yet imprisons drug users/dealers and sex workers here, for example. I care that people who work for the state are idolized and worshiped as heroes just because they wear a uniform. Yay, statism!!

I don’t really care what other shit holes around the world look like. I really don’t want to hear your sanctimonious, holier-than-thou attitude about how great we have it, blah, blah, blah.

“HOW GOOD WE HAVE IT” IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

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[quote]JD430 wrote:

Even Thomas Paine recognized the need to sacrifice absolute freedom for some security.[/quote]

Here’s the problem…your idea of security is not mine.

We would be more secure if every person and country just minded their own business. And that is the fucking truth.

The US is the biggest culprit in this regard.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
JD430 wrote:

Here’s the problem…your idea of security is not mine.

We would be more secure if every person and country just minded their own business. And that is the fucking truth.

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Alright. I’ll concede that. But that is as unworkable and utopian an idea as Communism.

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It isn’t that it is unworkable but rather that we would never achieve 100% compliance – maybe 99.99999% at best.

For those .00001% others I am sure there are more subtle and effective ways to work about it.

I don’t think Utopia can exist. Individuals will have conflict with each other but there are better ways to deal with it than all out war.

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[quote]GDI Inc wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
GDI Inc wrote:
I’m pretty sure I’ve recently read that the US currently imprisons more people than anywhere else in the world.

But to compare that with Stalinist Russia or North Korea where they didn’t imprison people, they just dissapeared them by the thousand is ludicrous.

I wouldn’t compare the US to any despotism. But I lived in the deep ghetto for about 12 years. There’s some real bad places here. I can’t count the number of shootings I’ve heard. It got to the point the local cops wouldn’t patrol the projects 300 yards from my house because they got sniped every time they entered the scheme. The other side of that is I’ve seen the same cops picking up envelopes on the corners. I really got no use for the guy this thread is about, but there are many different realities in this country.

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There is a lot of room for improvement agreed but when someone living in one of the most free, wealthiest, easiest countries in the world at one of the safest times ever starts spouting on about police states it really cracks me up.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
tom63 wrote:
jawara wrote:
I can’t believe that this man is being held up as a hero. Nobody mentioned that he was also a rapist… March for Lovelle Mixon who shot four Oakland cops before being murdered - YouTube

Does not surprise me, look at how the guy who shot that cop in Philadelphia is being put out there like he's also some hero.

Which cop? There’s been 5-6 of them in the past 2 years…

I’m honestly starting to believe Philadelphia needs to bring back police brutality.[/quote]

Danny Farmer, killed by that asshole Wesley Cook. I refuse to use some fake ass muslim name for a cop killer.

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[quote]jawara wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
jawara wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:

The demonstration took place outside the “people’s socialist party office”, did anyone else catch that?
Expect more of this shit, it’s socially acceptable to demonstrate for morally flawed causes.

Yeah I did. I think you and I are on the same line of thinking.

Hey, Jawara, remember that conversation we had back in January?

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/what_do_we_do_when_it_all_becomes_too_much

How’s that XCR? Still about two months away?

Oh well, in the meantime, you know what they say: get it cheap, and stack it deep.

After I found out about wat these morons said/did that thread was one of the first things I thought about. How many more people think the same way? I can’t answer that question but I’m telling ALL of you, there’s no way that people with these ideals can coexist in this country with people think like, well me.[/quote]

I think most of the people with these ideals could co-exist in this county with people who think like you and me: if the government is not overly sympathetic to their ideals; is sensible enough to maintain order; and is sensible enough to allow potential victims the means of self-defense. I mean, let’s face it, we can probably co-exist with people who recite stirring poetry about their right to eat our eyeballs out of the sockets for supper, as long as those people are not emboldened to act on their ideals.

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[quote]NealRaymond2 wrote:
jawara wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
jawara wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:

The demonstration took place outside the “people’s socialist party office”, did anyone else catch that?
Expect more of this shit, it’s socially acceptable to demonstrate for morally flawed causes.

Yeah I did. I think you and I are on the same line of thinking.

Hey, Jawara, remember that conversation we had back in January?

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/what_do_we_do_when_it_all_becomes_too_much

How’s that XCR? Still about two months away?

Oh well, in the meantime, you know what they say: get it cheap, and stack it deep.

After I found out about wat these morons said/did that thread was one of the first things I thought about. How many more people think the same way? I can’t answer that question but I’m telling ALL of you, there’s no way that people with these ideals can coexist in this country with people think like, well me.

I think most of the people with these ideals could co-exist in this county with people who think like you and me: if the government is not overly sympathetic to their ideals; is sensible enough to maintain order; and is sensible enough to allow potential victims the means of self-defense. I mean, let’s face it, we can probably co-exist with people who recite stirring poetry about their right to eat our eyeballs out of the sockets for supper, as long as those people are not emboldened to act on their ideals.[/quote]

Ok but,
The government IS overly sympathetic to their ideals.Look who we have as a presidnt. The man wants to redistribute wealth - YouTube

Is sensible enough to maintain order.Look at the crime in San Fransico.

And is sensible enough to allow potential victims the means of self-defense.We all know about gun control laws.

With the HR 1388 being voted in and Obama’s appointment of Van Jones as the “green czar” lord only knows how emboldened these people may become. Prepare to protect ya neck!!

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I agree with their assessment: The police do not represent anything good in the African American community…nor in my community for that matter.

However, they must come to terms with the idea that violence does not solve anything.

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Lifty, what’s your story man? Why did you join the Corps if you think that violence doesn’t solve anything? We’ve all got a life ark that got us to our current political beliefs. What’s yours? Surely you didn’t start out as an anarcho-libertarian.

mike

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

It cracks me up when people in the US talk about living in a police state. Yes there are things that are wrong. Yes, there is corruption but seriously, you have no idea how good you have it.[/quote]

True, but our founders were potentially the freest people in the world at the time they cast off their chains from England. Should TJ, and Sam Adams and TP all just mellowed out and accepted being that free?

mike

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

It cracks me up when people in the US talk about living in a police state. Yes there are things that are wrong. Yes, there is corruption but seriously, you have no idea how good you have it.[/quote]

I think many of us DO know how good we have it - how unique America is in history, in the tide of time and men. That’s precisely why we’re so hyperviligent to protect what it is. We are also haunted, I think, by the fact that unlike any other nation, really, America was sort of “born” outside of history (not precisely true of course, but that’s part of our narrative) - and so America feels curiously mortal, as if it might die.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Why did you join the Corps if you think that violence doesn’t solve anything?[/quote]

I grew up in the culture of the military; however, this does not mean that I thought violence was ok then either.

I was more idealistic as a young lad. I really believed I was defending the ideas that makes like worth living.

Let’s just say that witnessing things happen that shouldn’t happen can change a bloke’s mind.

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I’ve been reading a lot of Ragnar Benson lately. So I’m just sittin back and getting ready.