Let’s say one could get test deca and oxandrolone from a us pharmacy… is it worth trying to get primo from an UG source?
I hear so many good things about primo, but it’s all UG and you really never truly know.
Would u stick with us pharmacy obtained products or venture out to try primo?
Goals lean gain, min sides and grow an aesthetic physique (already on trt, so pct not an issue etc)
Unless you’re getting an actual prescription from your doctor then you’re not getting US pharma stuff. Period. Prescription levels of nandrolone are not the same as the amounts taken for cycle/blast purposes, so you’re pretty limited. I get what you’re asking, but it’s not a fair comparison.
If your goal is to blast then using either a UGL or an overseas pharma source is just part of the game. There’s no way around it. FWIW you can get actual pharma primo, it’s just hilariously expensive.
The best description of primo from experienced users seems to be something along the lines of this: it’s expensive, it’s a pain to dose, the growth isn’t remarkable, but it’s pretty much side effect free and doesn’t make you feel like Hell. So it now sort of depends on what you value. If you want something that’s easy on your body but not necessarily a real mass builder then it fits. If you want all-out size then pick something else. I’ve gone back and forth on this a few times and can not justify the cost. But I’ve been in your position and I get what you’re trying to figure out. There is no answer until after you’ve done it and seen what your results were. Until then it’s just guesswork.
I can get a script from a us doc for us pharmacy obtained test deca and oxandrolone
It’s very pricey but it’s from a us pharmacy obtained with a physicians prescription
But the deca will not be at the dose necessary for an actual blast. And you should be paying something like $8/pill for the anavar, which is prohibitively expensive. It’s great stuff, but it’s not worth it at pharmacy prices.
They dose the deca at 300 a week
200 dollars per 10ml… not too pricey but the price to avoid BS is priceless
Yes the var is 10 a tab but it’s 50 mg… def fun once a year for 6 weeks. I don’t usually do orals because it wrecks my cholesterol
Is this a real doctor? Because there is no medical justification for that dose and the DEA does actually pay attention to that stuff. But if that’s what is being offered then take it. But not the anavar. You can easily buy it cheaper or just skip it. Hard to justify that cost, even for pharma. But if you’ve got the money and you don’t mind overpaying then go for it. Var is magic.
Yes it’s a real doc, lol
You can get a ton of stuff from these “hrt clinics”
I’m thinking skip the primo cause I’m paranoid about my hair… I’m 41 so health is a big concern but yet still wanna add some mass the safest way I can. I was thinking 15 weeks test 350, deca 350. I never had libido issues even running deca alone. Thoughts?
You must be down in Fl. I’ve mentioned several times these HRT clinics down here are out for the money and you should take their medical advice with skepticism. That being said if you’re educated and looking to blast kudos for your find. I wish I was side free on deca. Sounds great to me.
Yes to Florida, but some in Texas and now one in KY
I remember spectrum hrt had deca, you needed 375, 50 doc fee, 50 ship fee and a note you had a surgery in past year
I think that sounds like a very reasonable blast for someone who knows what they’re doing and is a little older. You should get some nice results and if you don’t have issues with nandrolone then I say go for it. I only ever ran it as an actual therapeutic drug and it was a miracle. No sides whatsoever. But I hesitate to try it again at big boy doses because I can’t justify the potential downside. But if you’re experienced with it then you’d be crazy not to do it.
What potential downside? The ED?
I ran it last time 400 a week, 200 test, and my libido was stronger. Erections were better but I found it too longer to orgasm.
What would be the name of this clinic?
Elevated risk of LVH, neurological issues, and potentially (but unlikely) ED. I was fine on a low dose, but I’m not comfortable seeing how much more I can run before problems pop up. But I’m also pretty conservative for this particular era.
The pharmacy is Taylor made, they are in KY… they offer list of docs that use them
What do you run and what doses etc?
I was always worried about the neuro effects of deca as well as the study stating its 11x more toxic to vascular endothelial than test
The two things I do like about deca is it’s mass building properties as well as mild on hairline.
Overall think it be safer to run 2 blasts a year, ie run prop 100 EOD and 50 mg oxandrolone daily for 6 weeks, twice a year than to run 400 test and deca x 20 weeks?
But look at the concentrations of nandrolone/testosterone that endothelial cells (IN VITRO) had to be exposed to in order to elicit these results. Firstly in vitro studies aren’t affected by regulatory mechanisms (metabolism, elimination, antioxidants etc), that being said, we do have a correlation here, nandrolone based on these results is likely more damaging to vascular health comparative to test alone.
Oxandrolone for most will fuck up lipids big time, it isn’t a “safe” AAS despite the perceived lack of physically observable side effects. I love dbol, but the only thing that stops me using it for more than six DAYS at a time is the extensively detrimental effect it has on lipids (I believe hepatotoxicity to be somewhat over-rated at 15-20mg/day, I can show up to 100mg/day being tolerated for 6wks)… that and 250mg test 100mg mast and 20mg dbol/day is the equiv of like 550mg test E/wk in terms of anabolic potency, and I’m not comfortable with those kind of dosages (was thinking about using for 3 wks, but not comfortable with such heavy dosing for such a prolonged period of time), perhaps on TRT only I’ll try it for a longer period of time like 3 wks constant.
Agree with above. My hdl on oxandrolone went from 46 down to 17 on 6 weeks of it at 50 mg a day…
So if you could only get test deca and oxandrolone what blasts would you run with lean gains in mind but safety being a high priority (I’m 41 and just had baby number 5 this week)!
I’m guessing maybe prop alone 150 eod with nolva x 6-8 weeks…?
I don’t recommend gear/dose as we don’t have enough data to specify with certainty whether x dose or x compound is “safer” than another.
16 isn’t good at all, however given the response is individualistic, some legitimately have HDL drop down to sub 10 (4 is the lowest I’ve seen induced from orals)… imagine an HDL of 4… fucking FOUR with an elevated LDL… atherosclerosis city
If you can maintain an HDL of 17 and an LDL low like 60-80, in the short term (though this depends on other parameters such as trigs, HDL/LDL concentrations in relation to differing particle size/sub fractions) it wouldn’t be too bad, but unfortunately on orals many see a large elevation within LDL cholesterol. Hepatotoxicity interferes with cholesterol metabolism, activation of hepatic lipase catabolises HDL… double whammy there, elevated ketogenesis has the potential to increase trigs
I know there is little research but we can make educated guesses… I know one medical research on thinksteroids told me he things safest would be trt plus 250 nandrolone
Just trying to plan future blasts
Cardiac effects of long term nandrolone use are somewhat concerning… the potential for adverse neurological effects are concerning, some have immense negative reactions in relation to mental health on nandrolone… is that a risk you’re willing to take? Within rodent models the effects of N on dopamine receptor density, gaba, serotonin, ndma receptors is concerning, it’s super complex and it’s late here thus I don’t feel like going over it in detail.
Anabolic steroids aren’t “safe”, they’re arguably safer than chronic ethanol consumption and numerous recreational drugs, and acutely (as in single dose) the chance for detriment is nil to none… but to think you can blast without any elevation in cardiovascular/neurological risk factors is untrue… Hell there’s even the stipulation AAS induced neurotoxicity may lead to visuospacial cognitive deficits long term (very heavy usage)
I sympathize with you’re struggle… this is a concept I struggled with for a long time (say if I died suddenly, the guilt my family would harbour as they’d for whatever reason believe it to be their fault), and I am somewhat… very conservative in relation to dosing. I’ve learnt to deal with such ideology via the acknowledgement anything is a possibility, it’s about a risk/reward balance… if you perceive the benefit of personal gain induced by anabolic usage to be worth the risk… then go for it, but don’t kid yourself to think that there’s no risk at all. With monitoring via medical professionals (blood work, cardiac checkups etc) you can greatly mitigate risk, and by taking the required precautions you can go about this the right way. Due to immense stigma within the medical community here in Aus, honestly isn’t an option… as a matter of fact, despite great healthcare here, the community generally sucks, to see any specialist you need to see a GP first for a referral… gp’s hardly do anything other than refer, which makes me wonder why one would want to be a GP if they can’t individual treat/cater to helping a certain demographic (other than giving referrals and sending patients on their way)
The funny thing is, I only worry due to societal stigma, if I died of alcohol poisoning or cancer induced by tobacco there’d be no stigma, harsh judgement or immense guilt, rather people would think “well, he made a mistake”
If I died of proarrythmiac effect exerted by AAS everyone would think “that dirty doper injecting gear into his veins”… It’s BS, as the only reason ethanol is accepted is due to perceived sociocultural normality/ retarded values we have… but the notion of bringing shame upon my family is the concept that bothers me the most.