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Is Massive Eating Still Current?


#1

All this protein pulsing and para-workout protocol stuff has got me totally confused. I have long been a devotee of Beardi and his Massive Eating and peri-workout recommendations, they worked for me when I was just focussed on sport performance. Now I am looking to add mass and get into natural bodybuilding I am unsure of myself.

Is all this new high-tech stuff superceding the tried and tested approaches (6 meals a day, carb and protein shakes pre and post workout etc.) or am I being blinded by what is effectively extremely good marketing?


#2

if something’s been working for you, keep doing it. period.

if something isn’t working for you, then (and only then) is it time to look for something new.

if you have access to an entire arsenal, but a good ol’ 6 shooter is doing the job, no need for the .50 cal machine gun… although it’s nice to know that it’s there.


#3

[quote]Roundhead wrote:
All this protein pulsing and para-workout protocol stuff has got me totally confused. I have long been a devotee of Beardi and his Massive Eating and peri-workout recommendations, they worked for me when I was just focussed on sport performance. Now I am looking to add mass and get into natural bodybuilding I am unsure of myself. Is all this new high-tech stuff superceding the tried and tested approaches (6 meals a day, carb and protein shakes pre and post workout etc.) or am I being blinded by what is effectively extremely good marketing?[/quote]

What I prefer to do is just stick with the basics and over time add in these “new age” ideas. Basically, do what’s been working for you this far, but don’t be afraid to add new things and see how they work. Then make changes accordingly based on the results you see.


#4

[quote]E99_Curt wrote:
a good ol’ 6 shooter is doing the job, no need for the .50 cal machine gun… although it’s nice to know that it’s there.[/quote]

A .50 cal machine gun does the job faster and better.

Time isn’t exactly on your side when you are bodybuilding.


#5

[quote]E99_Curt wrote:
if something’s been working for you, keep doing it. period.

if something isn’t working for you, then (and only then) is it time to look for something new.

if you have access to an entire arsenal, but a good ol’ 6 shooter is doing the job, no need for the .50 cal machine gun… although it’s nice to know that it’s there.[/quote]

BUT WHAT IF SOMETHING ELSE COULD WORK BETTER ?!?!?!??!

You can get to work by bus, but you’d rather go to work in a ferrari wouldnt you?


#6

[quote]Roundhead wrote:
All this protein pulsing and para-workout protocol stuff has got me totally confused. I have long been a devotee of Beardi and his Massive Eating and peri-workout recommendations, they worked for me when I was just focussed on sport performance. Now I am looking to add mass and get into natural bodybuilding I am unsure of myself.

Is all this new high-tech stuff superceding the tried and tested approaches (6 meals a day, carb and protein shakes pre and post workout etc.) or am I being blinded by what is effectively extremely good marketing?[/quote]

I still stick with the massive eating protocol for the most part. I just add a small pulse of whey isolate or hydrolysate and Leucine before most meals.


#7

Dr. Berardi is interested in the PARA workout protocol, but is electing a “wait and see” approach to see what the results are the last I read/heard about it from him.

"Personally, I think that the I, Bodybuilder Program has the makings to be pretty cool and pretty effective for a certain sub-set of trainee.

After all, the idea of loading nutrients, calories, and anaboli6c stimulators around a very intense workout period is a solid one. It takes the idea of nutrient timing to another level, for sure.

However, in all fairness, let’s all keep one thing in mind. THE PROGRAM HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED YET!

So any speculation about it’s efficacy or legitimacy (or lacktherof) should be reserved until we have something concrete to look at, no?

The T-Nation description of the insulin response phenomenon is too simple. My advice, wait till the full program comes out before toying with this type of thing. The calorie load, carb load, sugar load is pretty big for a natural lifter not using the perfect program.

I guess I have to say “what program?” They’ve only released a 1,000 ft high overview of what’s to come. It’s not specific or detailed enough to analyze as a system. So I think we should just chill out until we see what they have in mind.

The scientific principles they’ve outlined are quite simple - a) raise insulin around the workout while b) providing lots of calories and c) lots of amino acids. And this isn’t new at all.

In fact, my original post-workout articles (from 2000), followed by my pre-workout article (in 2001) covered all of this.

Post-Workout Insulin and Amino Acids

Pre-Workout Insulin and Amino Acids

The only thing they MAY BE doing differently (although I can’t say for sure because we’re all still speculating) is loading LOTS of calories. In other words, giving a massive calorie surplus around the training bout.

As far as the timing, which seems to be the thing that people are focusing on, it’s slightly different (again, based on what they might be recommending when the program is released). But the net result - whether you’re starting 1h before, 5 min before, etc, is a big surge of insulin, aminos, and calories around the training session.

Beyond that, it’s a mystery, isn’t it. For example, we don’t know what kind of workouts they’re going to be recommending. And we don’t even know what’s in Anaconda, do we?

So again, maybe we wait until these details are released before exhaustively discussing their methods or the limited overview they’ve provided to date.

I don’t really do well at playing coy…so I’m not holding anything back. Truly, I don’t really know what the full program will entail. Although I do have some ideas, based on casual conversations with the T-Nation guys.

However, I find it best, as a general rule, to avoid intensive discussion until something’s actually been said. I feel like, all over the internet, people are already “choosing sides” on this project before the guys at T-Nation even release it. That’s bad form.

As far as disappointment, etc, none at all. Tim Patterson has invited me to play a bigger role on all the big T-Nation “Super Programs”. And while it’s a honor to be asked, I’ve been far to busy with all the big things happening on the PN front."


#8

[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
Dr. Berardi is interested in the PARA workout protocol, but is electing a “wait and see” approach to see what the results are the last I read/heard about it from him.[/quote]

Thanks for that, that is exactly the kind of thing I was after.