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Is it Ever Okay to Hit a Female?


#1

I'm sure everyone has heard about the Ray Rice incident. When a girl is striking you at will, what should you do? I guess there are two options right? You can do what Jay Z did and become the joke of the internet for about couple of months, or you can do what Ray Rice did and become the devil in the media's eye.

I know none of us are famous and wouldn't garner any media attention. However being escorted out of your home with handcuffs on into a squad car with everyone watching, might make you the joke of your neighborhood.


#2

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
I’m sure everyone has heard about the Ray Rice incident. When a girl is striking you at will, what should you do? I guess there are two options right? You can do what Jay Z did and become the joke of the internet for about couple of months, or you can do what Ray Rice did and become the devil in the media’s eye.

I know none of us are famous and wouldn’t garner any media attention. However being escorted out of your home with handcuffs on into a squad car with everyone watching, might make you the joke of your neighborhood. [/quote]

Ray Rice is an awful example because he wasn’t being hit at all, let alone hit at will, or being attacked with a weapon, or any of the things that you might see brought up here as legitimate reasons to hit a woman(if a person thinks there are any at all).


#3

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
I’m sure everyone has heard about the Ray Rice incident. When a girl is striking you at will, what should you do? I guess there are two options right? You can do what Jay Z did and become the joke of the internet for about couple of months, or you can do what Ray Rice did and become the devil in the media’s eye.

I know none of us are famous and wouldn’t garner any media attention. However being escorted out of your home with handcuffs on into a squad car with everyone watching, might make you the joke of your neighborhood. [/quote]

Ray Rice is an awful example because he wasn’t being hit at all, let alone hit at will, or being attacked with a weapon, or any of the things that you might see brought up here as legitimate reasons to hit a woman(if a person thinks there are any at all).[/quote]

Both parties were inebriated and Palmer admitted to striking him multiple times, while simultaneously verbally assaulting him. However this didn’t occur inside the elevator. If you look examine the video closely it seems as if she’s about to strike him again, but to her surprise he finally retaliated. Why do you think she’s defending him now?


#4

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
I’m sure everyone has heard about the Ray Rice incident. When a girl is striking you at will, what should you do? I guess there are two options right? You can do what Jay Z did and become the joke of the internet for about couple of months, or you can do what Ray Rice did and become the devil in the media’s eye.

I know none of us are famous and wouldn’t garner any media attention. However being escorted out of your home with handcuffs on into a squad car with everyone watching, might make you the joke of your neighborhood. [/quote]

Here’s when it’s ok to hit a woman (according to you);

When a woman is striking a guy multiple times, while simultaneously verbally assaulting him.

There’s your answer

/thread


#5

Asked Girl for Number, Got Rejected. Hit her.


#6

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
I’m sure everyone has heard about the Ray Rice incident. When a girl is striking you at will, what should you do? I guess there are two options right? You can do what Jay Z did and become the joke of the internet for about couple of months, or you can do what Ray Rice did and become the devil in the media’s eye.

I know none of us are famous and wouldn’t garner any media attention. However being escorted out of your home with handcuffs on into a squad car with everyone watching, might make you the joke of your neighborhood. [/quote]

Here’s when it’s ok to hit a woman (according to you);

When a woman is striking a guy multiple times, while simultaneously verbally assaulting him.

There’s your answer

/thread[/quote]

I still lose my job, get arrested and have to do jail time


#7

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
I’m sure everyone has heard about the Ray Rice incident. When a girl is striking you at will, what should you do? I guess there are two options right? You can do what Jay Z did and become the joke of the internet for about couple of months, or you can do what Ray Rice did and become the devil in the media’s eye.

I know none of us are famous and wouldn’t garner any media attention. However being escorted out of your home with handcuffs on into a squad car with everyone watching, might make you the joke of your neighborhood. [/quote]

Ray Rice is an awful example because he wasn’t being hit at all, let alone hit at will, or being attacked with a weapon, or any of the things that you might see brought up here as legitimate reasons to hit a woman(if a person thinks there are any at all).[/quote]

Both parties were inebriated and Palmer admitted to striking him multiple times, while simultaneously verbally assaulting him. However this didn’t occur inside the elevator. If you look examine the video closely it seems as if she’s about to strike him again, but to her surprise he finally retaliated. Why do you think she’s defending him now? [/quote]

Because it’s the psychological effect of being the victim of abuse? She convinced herself “he won’t do it again,” “he’s a better man than this,” “I can help him get better,” “I deserved it because…” or numerous other things that battered women convince themselves?

At worst it looks like she MIGHT slap him in the elevator after he punches her the first time, and anything she ‘admitted’ could just be more of her trying to defend him because that’s what victims do in many, many cases of abuse.


#8

Only to prevent your imminent death.


#9

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
Why do you think she’s defending him now? [/quote]
Because she really likes having access to his tens of millions of dollars.


#10

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
Why do you think she’s defending him now? [/quote]
Because she really likes having access to his tens of millions of dollars.[/quote]

And maybe because she’s afraid he’ll kick her ass again if she doesn’t and also because she actually thinks its her fault. Like lots of battered women. But yah, its hard to ignore access to tens of millions of dollars as a potential reason.


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#13

Never, but it’s not as cut and dry as my response implies.

My mother was physically abusive, I remember changing for gym and having to explain belt marks up and down my back to my classmates. She was called in to meet with the principal after I broke down one day and I had to lie and say I made the whole thing up because I was afraid of what would happen to me. I also watched my mom scream and swear in my dad’s face daring him to hit her on a regular basis until they finally got divorced.

I’ve had a girl I was dating hit me in the face at a party because I wasn’t paying attention to her, another girl hit me in the face in front of her roommates because I said an actress on TV was hot, a different girl hit me in the face at a bar for taking too long to go to the bathroom because she assumed I was hitting on other girls, and finally another girl hit me in the face after breaking up with her at a bar. Other girls have grabbed and or bull rushed me demanding answers to questions or to intimidate me into not leaving wherever we were.

Women are no better then men, when they don’t feel that they are in control of a situation or the other person has challenged their authority on an issue, their character, or personal integrity they have just as much potential to resort to violence. Women commonly reserve this aggression towards men that they have relationships with or random men in public knowing the other person is not in a position to where they can or is supposed to fight back, very similar to a man reserving his abuse of a woman to a private area so she has nobody coming to her aid or an easy way to escape.

‘Your mom must have been dealing with a lot.’ ‘Dude, you just date crazy chicks.’ ‘Haha, you gotta stop fucking them so good and cutting them off.’ These among others are common responses from other people when I open up about these instances from my past, but to simply write off their actions as ‘Bitches be crazy’ isn’t fair, yet it is the reality of living in a modern society.

So when I say it is never okay to hit a woman, that doesn’t mean that it is not ever justified. Women take advantage of the fact that they can say and do just about anything to a man in public or their sons in private with little recourse. As a male you’re supposed to just absorb it, try to walk away, or ‘behave’ better according to their standards no matter how irrational or how skewed in their favor they may be.


#14

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
I’m sure everyone has heard about the Ray Rice incident. When a girl is striking you at will, what should you do? I guess there are two options right? You can do what Jay Z did and become the joke of the internet for about couple of months, or you can do what Ray Rice did and become the devil in the media’s eye.

I know none of us are famous and wouldn’t garner any media attention. However being escorted out of your home with handcuffs on into a squad car with everyone watching, might make you the joke of your neighborhood. [/quote]

Ray Rice is an awful example because he wasn’t being hit at all, let alone hit at will, or being attacked with a weapon, or any of the things that you might see brought up here as legitimate reasons to hit a woman(if a person thinks there are any at all).[/quote]

Both parties were inebriated and Palmer admitted to striking him multiple times, while simultaneously verbally assaulting him. However this didn’t occur inside the elevator. If you look examine the video closely it seems as if she’s about to strike him again, but to her surprise he finally retaliated. Why do you think she’s defending him now? [/quote]

Because it’s the psychological effect of being the victim of abuse? She convinced herself “he won’t do it again,” “he’s a better man than this,” “I can help him get better,” “I deserved it because…” or numerous other things that battered women convince themselves?

At worst it looks like she MIGHT slap him in the elevator after he punches her the first time, and anything she ‘admitted’ could just be more of her trying to defend him because that’s what victims do in many, many cases of abuse.
[/quote]

Both her and Ray Rice know exactly what happened. So Why not become a sympathetic figure in the public’s eye and leave him? Oh yeah that’s right she knows what went down just as well as Ray does.


#15

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
I’m sure everyone has heard about the Ray Rice incident. When a girl is striking you at will, what should you do? I guess there are two options right? You can do what Jay Z did and become the joke of the internet for about couple of months, or you can do what Ray Rice did and become the devil in the media’s eye.

I know none of us are famous and wouldn’t garner any media attention. However being escorted out of your home with handcuffs on into a squad car with everyone watching, might make you the joke of your neighborhood. [/quote]

Ray Rice is an awful example because he wasn’t being hit at all, let alone hit at will, or being attacked with a weapon, or any of the things that you might see brought up here as legitimate reasons to hit a woman(if a person thinks there are any at all).[/quote]

Both parties were inebriated and Palmer admitted to striking him multiple times, while simultaneously verbally assaulting him. However this didn’t occur inside the elevator. If you look examine the video closely it seems as if she’s about to strike him again, but to her surprise he finally retaliated. Why do you think she’s defending him now? [/quote]

Because it’s the psychological effect of being the victim of abuse? She convinced herself “he won’t do it again,” “he’s a better man than this,” “I can help him get better,” “I deserved it because…” or numerous other things that battered women convince themselves?

At worst it looks like she MIGHT slap him in the elevator after he punches her the first time, and anything she ‘admitted’ could just be more of her trying to defend him because that’s what victims do in many, many cases of abuse.
[/quote]

Both her and Ray Rice know exactly what happened. So Why not become a sympathetic figure in the public’s eye and leave him? Oh yeah that’s right she knows what went down just as well as Ray does. [/quote]

A person man or woman can only be pushed so far until they will overreact within a confrontation, alcohol certainly doesn’t help, but kudos to ray rice’s fiance for taking responsibility for her role in the incident and ray rice for owning up to the fact that he should have never hit her.

It’s not the 1950s, women aren’t delicate harmless innocent creatures anymore and sometimes reserve identifying themselves as such only when it suits their own agenda. There’s definitely more abusive and controlling men out there than women, but it’s not just a male problem anymore, its a problem with society and both genders as a whole.


#16

On the same occasions that you would hit a man, excluding bravado bullshit. I.e. in self defense, which is defined as ‘if I turn violent now I can prevent further violence coming my way’. So no, if someone hits you once and you look at them in disbelief, then hit back… It’s not self defense. Also, I’m not the strongest guy around, but there are very, very few females who I couldn’t stop from slapping me (knife attacks or skilled kicks may be different) by bear hugging them, tripping them, applying a joint lock… Rory Miller once said that stopping your drunk uncle from getting into the driver seat requires different levels of force than neutralising an armed attacker; the same applies here.


#17

This is why garages, cars, strippers and sports were invented. Don’t argue, you can’t win. Just go away when the feral banshee starts getting in your face and shrieking


#18

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
I’m sure everyone has heard about the Ray Rice incident. When a girl is striking you at will, what should you do? I guess there are two options right? You can do what Jay Z did and become the joke of the internet for about couple of months, or you can do what Ray Rice did and become the devil in the media’s eye.

I know none of us are famous and wouldn’t garner any media attention. However being escorted out of your home with handcuffs on into a squad car with everyone watching, might make you the joke of your neighborhood. [/quote]

Ray Rice is an awful example because he wasn’t being hit at all, let alone hit at will, or being attacked with a weapon, or any of the things that you might see brought up here as legitimate reasons to hit a woman(if a person thinks there are any at all).[/quote]

Both parties were inebriated and Palmer admitted to striking him multiple times, while simultaneously verbally assaulting him. However this didn’t occur inside the elevator. If you look examine the video closely it seems as if she’s about to strike him again, but to her surprise he finally retaliated. Why do you think she’s defending him now? [/quote]

Because it’s the psychological effect of being the victim of abuse? She convinced herself “he won’t do it again,” “he’s a better man than this,” “I can help him get better,” “I deserved it because…” or numerous other things that battered women convince themselves?

At worst it looks like she MIGHT slap him in the elevator after he punches her the first time, and anything she ‘admitted’ could just be more of her trying to defend him because that’s what victims do in many, many cases of abuse.
[/quote]

Both her and Ray Rice know exactly what happened. So Why not become a sympathetic figure in the public’s eye and leave him? Oh yeah that’s right she knows what went down just as well as Ray does. [/quote]

Or she’s behaving exactly like battered women and victims of abuse do.

My sister went through this, I’m not a PhD in psychology but I’ve literally witnessed the process of a woman getting abused and then defending her abuser. Numerous states have ‘no-drop’ policies on domestic abuse cases now because of how many women would drop the charges after initially bringing them to the state(something they probably did with influence from family/friends while temporarily separated from the abuser).

It could also be the money, or that he’s the father of her very young child(dependence on the abuser is a common factor in many abuse cases).


#19

[quote]tsantos wrote:
This is why garages, cars, strippers and sports were invented. Don’t argue, you can’t win. Just go away when the feral banshee starts getting in your face and shrieking[/quote]

For me, lifting has served as an escape from people in general.


#20

If you put your hands on me, I’ll put my hands on you. I don’t give a fuck if you’re male, female, animal, mineral or whatever.