I am doing Waterbury’s TBT training which involves 4 compound and 2 isolation exercises each session. I have 2 questions.
Is the chest fly iso or compound as i get mixed opinion on bodybuilding.com exercise database to other sites. As I hit the chest on each of the sessions it tends to be on the compound exercise and wondered if i selected the fly (DB or machine) then does it replace the compound
I am measuring progress or at least logging the weights down and I have been doing the same exercise for 2 weeks before changing as per Waterbury’s TBT. I have been changing grip on the 2nd time to change it up slightly and noticed that on the V-Bar pull down (back) that i could lift more using supinated narrow grip than i did week before using wide grip.
Should I be separting these exercises out totally even though i just changed the grip? ie. wide vs narrow soupinated , as i dont think i can compare if im lifting progressively If i change grip ?
Is the chest fly iso or compound as i get mixed opinion on bodybuilding.com exercise database to other sites. As I hit the chest on each of the sessions it tends to be on the compound exercise and wondered if i selected the fly (DB or machine) then does it replace the compound
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Compound exercises involve rotation around 2 or more joints.
The chest fly involves only rotation at the shoulder, so it is a single-axis movement.
I am doing Waterbury’s TBT training which involves 4 compound and 2 isolation exercises each session. I have 2 questions.
Is the chest fly iso or compound as i get mixed opinion on bodybuilding.com exercise database to other sites. As I hit the chest on each of the sessions it tends to be on the compound exercise and wondered if i selected the fly (DB or machine) then does it replace the compound
I am measuring progress or at least logging the weights down and I have been doing the same exercise for 2 weeks before changing as per Waterbury’s TBT. I have been changing grip on the 2nd time to change it up slightly and noticed that on the V-Bar pull down (back) that i could lift more using supinated narrow grip than i did week before using wide grip.
Should I be separting these exercises out totally even though i just changed the grip? ie. wide vs narrow soupinated , as i dont think i can compare if im lifting progressively If i change grip ?
Many thanks in advance.
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If you can lift more with a certain hand position, that should affect your planned progression. I’m doing TBT right now, and I usually stick with a certain hand position for two consecutive weeks. For example, during week one day one if I did pulldowns with a shoulder width, supinated grip, I’d also use a shoulder width, supinated grip for week 2 day one but slightly higher weight. Then during week 3, I might change to a wide, pronated grip.
Because I can’t do as much weight with a pronated grip, I wouldn’t use my weight during weeks 1 and 2 as a comparison for week 3. So, I wouldn’t necessarily be moving up in weight from week 2. I’d simply use weight that fit the prescribed parameters for that workout. Hopefully that makes sense.
I vote isolated. Compound chest movements include presses and dips. Flyes, cable crossovers, and the machine variations of the same (e.g., “pec deck”) are chest isolation movements.
[quote]IBMS wrote:
I would count it as compound. It’s not exactly a single joint movement like a bicep curl. A chest fly is hitting pretty large muscle groups too[/quote]
Well, if you are performing them in the traditional fashion like this:
then they are isolation exercises. The only joint action is horizontal shoulder flexion/abduction. So, yes, it is a single joint movement like a bicep curl. The size of the muscle groups hit has nothing to do with whether an exercise is compound or isolation.
