[quote]Professor X wrote:
It is during the declining, post 30yr period (where I am, being 34) that the debate over whether BMD can be actually increased or whether its rate of decrease can only be slowed, occurs.
The study only proves what I/we already know to be true about youthful exercise being critical to proper development.
Whether or not mature BBers can increase BMD or not (without the use of hormones), it WOULD be great to see some proper research. I certainly don’t write off the idea that they can, all I’m saying is that with the current (poor) data, it doesn’t look like it, however I would be happy to be wrong.
The fact that they found greater bone density in those weight lifters does more to support the belief than ANYTHING you have provided against it.
They are too young? Most of the people who fall into SERIOUS bodybuilding begin around that age which means this is exactly the news they need to be listening to.
Again, it matters little what someone over the age of 35 years sees in terms of bone density when applied to people who are under the age of 25.
AGE is a huge factor itself. Why ignore or reduce the significance of this evidence because the test subjects were not old enough to see a decrease in bone healing?
If anything, the position should be that weight lifting is EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL to those under the age of 30 because it may be able to increase bone density FOR LIFE if the stimulus is continued instead of waiting until they are 35 years of age to pick up a weight for the first time.
Time is fleeting and waiting half your life before realizing that weight lifting is a life long benefit would be a mistake. It should be obvious that there would be decreased benefit in terms of bone density the older someone gets as bone heals slower. That’s just the reality of the situation.
I am glad I followed that route with that thinking myself and did NOT wait until 30 to figure that out.
Further, the pain that was in the middle of my ulnar and radius was not muscular pain. It was in the bone and only occurred after the weight was SET DOWN and only lasted for seconds afterwards. You are talking to someone who has dissected a human arm before. Making things more complicated in explanation does not equal truth.[/quote]
I have to go with you on this one X, i mean, this debate is about "Does Weight Training etc increase Bone Density?) This lad is not ostoporotic(sp?), nor ill (i dont think) - a young weight trainer of ages between 17 and 25 i would guess.
That link is for his exact age group and proves that resisted loading DOES increase bone mass in those individuals.
This is going to be a higher level of mass that a non trained individual would have, full stop. This will benefit that person well into their later life - especially if they continue resisted loading, seeing as the evidence you have seen Bushy, stating that this kind of response is present in elderly subjects too.
As for the forearm issues - I have the exact problem as we speak, when i foinish a set i have to curl my RHS fingers from the bar v…ee…rr.yy slowly to reduce the pain. I had assumed (due to how it feels etc - an educated guess i suppose) that is was a teno-periosteum issue (if that is the correct term for the junction) - similar to the cause of shinsplints. It goes if i rest it (No standard BB Curl’s), and comes back very easily and as soon as i begin to use decent a weight again (35-50kgs). What do you think?