Wait, have I been doing this wrong the whole time? I always wondered why use a needle, but figured that was part of pinning the ass.
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LOL I said ‘up’ not ‘in’. And I hope OP takes that with humor, rereading it I meant it as humor to a point not to be harsh.
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Hmmm…well since I’m measuring the test with a syringe and not weighing it on a scale then that’s all I have to go on. When I went to the doc he didn’t talk in mg’s. And being that I was new to it, who am I to question his expertise and what he’s doing. It’s a reputable clinic, not a bro-clinic. My general practitioner didn’t like that I was on Test because he thought it was junk treatment.
I’m glad you meant that as humor. :-). Because I was thinking that this may not be the place to ask questions after reading it. 
it’s all good.
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Your vial of Test should have a concentration on it. If you are in the US, I’d bet it is 200 mg/mL. 0.4 mL * 200 mg/mL is 80 mg. If you do that twice a week you are taking 160 mg a week.
The way I see HGH use is that if you are wealthy go for it. If you aren’t maybe you could get insurance to cover it (very unlikely), you use MK-677 and hope you respond to it well (by that I mean you measure with blood work), or you use UGL and do your best to ensure quality and do blood work to ensure you are not getting scammed. The last option isn’t legal though.
Unfortunately, MK-677 lowered my IGF-1 slightly, so I think it did basically 0 for me. Some people get good results with it though. It can be ordered as a research chemical, and it isn’t that expensive.
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Sorry when I reply at work I tend to be too short. Point being is you need to advocate for your own health with TRT clinics. Many are there to profit from you over best protocol. Even with your PCP you should always check on what they are prescribing you, dosage, and conflicts with meds you are already taking. Regarding HGH I have taken it alongside TRT. It’s good stuff but real expensive through a provider vs black market. Even 2-4ius has a nice effect on skin, hair, and moderate fat loss.
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Nails, hair grew faster. BS usually elevated. Didn’t lose any fat. Have used HGH and some peptides
@studhammer @swoops39 @hankthetank89 in your experiences with HGH, did you find sleep quality to be improved? I heard that it was good for recovery, just curious if it benefitted sleep.
Thanks in advance!
I thought maybe in the beginning, but my sleep is pretty shit no matter what lol. Has been most of my life.
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I’m right there with you. Using a CPAP makes it a bit better (diagnosed sleep apnea), but still not enough to ever feel well rested. Or maybe I’ve just been misinterpreting ‘well-rested’ my whole life lol
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@Andrewgen_Receptors I tapered from 1iu/night up to 4/iu per night for a couple months. Honestly I slept like a baby but remained tired throughout the day due to the HGH. I felt sleepy a lot. That was the biggest downside for me. I also have a CPAP and off HGH I feel rested but not on. I eventually stopped because it caused my RHR to rise from normal 60bpm to 80-90bpm sitting sometimes. Might be due to water retention, I dont know. I still have enough to run 3 more months so I’m gonna give it another go before summer. TRT + HGH. Thats about it for me these days.
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Thank you for the insight! I would have tagged you had I known you partook.
If i’m interpreting this correctly, you slept better but felt less rested on the 4iu/night dose than off HGH entirely?
Did you notice any real difference in sleep quality/daytime drowsiness between 1iu and 4iu/night?
Apologies for all the questions, I’ve been trying to figure out my sleep nonsense for a while (I’ve also been interested in HGH for years). Would love to give it a shot at some point, looking for more justification to do so when that time comes.
Correct. I slept very well. However, I felt tired throughout the day, sleepy tired not fatigued. It seemed worse on the higher dose. My IGF-1 went from 116ng/ml to 374ng/ml on 4iu. I have been off everything but TRT for about 8 months. My labs last month s how my IGF-1 back to 126ng/ml which is the norm for me. Ask me any questions you want! Sleep is critical to well being and work out recovery. The CPAP was the biggest overall improvement for me. It took some trial and error though. I tried two different masks before settling on the Dreamwear mask.
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No. My sleep has always been shit and i cant do anything to fix it - i have tried it all…
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Did you ever try one of the nose-only masks? I’ve got one on order now so I can give it a shot. I’m using a dreamwear full-face (it only covers the mouth and nose) and find myself not wanting to wear it the whole night. I also need the pressure pretty high at around 9-12 cmH2O, so having the mask on so tight makes it less comfortable… sleepy me doesnt want to wear the mask lol.
I started with the full face mask but it kept bruising the bridge of my nose. So I went to the Dreamwear the just covers your month and bottom of nose. I’m a mouth breather so I can’t use the nose only but you may as well try it! My pressure settings are a little lower than yours although my apnea was high with over 90 episodes an hour.
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Definitely! Especially in the beginning when I was probably not making any of my own. Really vivid dreams
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Thanks for the response!
Did you notice any difference in sleep quality pending dosage?
I had terrible sleep apnea and was falling asleep at work and while driving
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I had a sleep study done and doc said it was normal, but I often wake up dry mouth, headache, sleepy, and have considered just buying a CPAP machine to see if it would help. Using a decongestant before bed has helped some as well.
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