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Irresponsive to Low Carb/High Fat

Lately, the Low Carb/High Fat trend has been disappearing and we are now seen a shift towards higher (if not 90’s high) carb diets. This is all well and good since I think people, in general, are seeing better results during fat loss phases through higher compliance rates, better workout intensity, better mood, improved muscle retention and during caloric restriction periods (did I miss any?).

I have experimented with higher carb diets myself and can vouch for the benefits I listed above. However, I feel that higher carb diets have a more direct effect on my fat loss process. I honestly feel that I drop fat faster when I replace fat calories with carb calories. Whenever I try the low carb/high fat approach, losing fat takes forever and it stalls quickly. It’s almost as if my body could not handle high amounts of fat properly. I find this very confusing since, from what we all know and all things being equal, a lower carb diet would yield faster fat loss since one would be keeping insulin on a shorter leash and so forth.

I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this and if someone has an explanation for it.

If all things are controlled and you honestly feel better doing the LF?HC approach go for it.

Personally, my body all around for fat loss like HF/LC. I’m not gonna sit here and argue the science of it, because for you the reverse seems to be true.

BTW- I can lose weight very easily on any diet, that said it was near effortless to get very lean for myself using a HF/LC approach

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
If all things are controlled and you honestly feel better doing the LF?HC approach go for it.

Personally, my body all around for fat loss like HF/LC. I’m not gonna sit here and argue the science of it, because for you the reverse seems to be true.

BTW- I can lose weight very easily on any diet, that said it was near effortless to get very lean for myself using a HF/LC approach[/quote]

When you did this (referring to the HF/LC part), what were your approximate ratios (P/C/F)?

[quote]wswnsc wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
If all things are controlled and you honestly feel better doing the LF?HC approach go for it.

Personally, my body all around for fat loss like HF/LC. I’m not gonna sit here and argue the science of it, because for you the reverse seems to be true.

BTW- I can lose weight very easily on any diet, that said it was near effortless to get very lean for myself using a HF/LC approach[/quote]

When you did this (referring to the HF/LC part), what were your approximate ratios (P/C/F)? [/quote]

60-65% fat, 10-20% carb, rest protein. I’d say most days were 10-15% carb… though I ended up doing very high fat, high carb on the weekends, lower protein. Not by design, I just still wanted to be able to eat some junk and not have to worry about covering my protein.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]wswnsc wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
If all things are controlled and you honestly feel better doing the LF?HC approach go for it.

Personally, my body all around for fat loss like HF/LC. I’m not gonna sit here and argue the science of it, because for you the reverse seems to be true.

BTW- I can lose weight very easily on any diet, that said it was near effortless to get very lean for myself using a HF/LC approach[/quote]

When you did this (referring to the HF/LC part), what were your approximate ratios (P/C/F)? [/quote]

60-65% fat, 10-20% carb, rest protein. I’d say most days were 10-15% carb… though I ended up doing very high fat, high carb on the weekends, lower protein. Not by design, I just still wanted to be able to eat some junk and not have to worry about covering my protein.
[/quote]

Ok, so you were higher in fats than I originally would have thought. Two questions:

  1. What was your ballpark BF% when you started this? Now really hung up on the number - just trying to get a refernce as to your starting point.
  2. How long did you do this?

[quote]wswnsc wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]wswnsc wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
If all things are controlled and you honestly feel better doing the LF?HC approach go for it.

Personally, my body all around for fat loss like HF/LC. I’m not gonna sit here and argue the science of it, because for you the reverse seems to be true.

BTW- I can lose weight very easily on any diet, that said it was near effortless to get very lean for myself using a HF/LC approach[/quote]

When you did this (referring to the HF/LC part), what were your approximate ratios (P/C/F)? [/quote]

60-65% fat, 10-20% carb, rest protein. I’d say most days were 10-15% carb… though I ended up doing very high fat, high carb on the weekends, lower protein. Not by design, I just still wanted to be able to eat some junk and not have to worry about covering my protein.
[/quote]

Ok, so you were higher in fats than I originally would have thought. Two questions:

  1. What was your ballpark BF% when you started this? Now really hung up on the number - just trying to get a refernce as to your starting point.
  2. How long did you do this?[/quote]

Wish I had taken those measurements. All I can say is I dropped about 10-12#s, my abs were the leanest they had been since late HS/early college, nothin jaw-dropping mind you.

At the end of the experiment 7-site caliper reading was 9.x% BF .

I did it for at least 8 weeks, maybe 12 at most, I don’t really recall, I started the experiment as a way to show some people that fat doesn’t make you fat, in the process I realized I could eat till satisfied, not count calories, keep carbs to 50-100g most days and get leaner.

I also did it to see how my blood work would turn out, granted I didn’t have a pre-test to compare.

[quote]wswnsc wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]wswnsc wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
If all things are controlled and you honestly feel better doing the LF?HC approach go for it.

Personally, my body all around for fat loss like HF/LC. I’m not gonna sit here and argue the science of it, because for you the reverse seems to be true.

BTW- I can lose weight very easily on any diet, that said it was near effortless to get very lean for myself using a HF/LC approach[/quote]

When you did this (referring to the HF/LC part), what were your approximate ratios (P/C/F)? [/quote]

60-65% fat, 10-20% carb, rest protein. I’d say most days were 10-15% carb… though I ended up doing very high fat, high carb on the weekends, lower protein. Not by design, I just still wanted to be able to eat some junk and not have to worry about covering my protein.
[/quote]

Ok, so you were higher in fats than I originally would have thought. Two questions:

  1. What was your ballpark BF% when you started this? Now really hung up on the number - just trying to get a refernce as to your starting point.
  2. How long did you do this?[/quote]

Not JF, but I’m pretty close to the same percentage breakdown.

As far as BF%, I’d say 12ish; there’s photos in my hub (clearly I have a long ways to go). I’ve been eating that way in some form or another for 8 or 9 months. It brought me back from depression-induced weight loss. Since February, I’m up almost 40 pounds.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
If all things are controlled and you honestly feel better doing the LF?HC approach go for it.

Personally, my body all around for fat loss like HF/LC. I’m not gonna sit here and argue the science of it, because for you the reverse seems to be true.

BTW- I can lose weight very easily on any diet, that said it was near effortless to get very lean for myself using a HF/LC approach[/quote]

No need to discuss the science of it, I think we are all pretty much clear on it. Your experience with HF/LC backs it up and I think this approach works for most people. In my case, it doesn’t seem to work quite as well, although I have given variations of this approach several honest tries. However I was hoping to learn more about the reasons why higher carb work better for me.

[quote]eaboadar wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
If all things are controlled and you honestly feel better doing the LF?HC approach go for it.

Personally, my body all around for fat loss like HF/LC. I’m not gonna sit here and argue the science of it, because for you the reverse seems to be true.

BTW- I can lose weight very easily on any diet, that said it was near effortless to get very lean for myself using a HF/LC approach[/quote]

No need to discuss the science of it, I think we are all pretty much clear on it. Your experience with HF/LC backs it up and I think this approach works for most people. In my case, it doesn’t seem to work quite as well, although I have given variations of this approach several honest tries. However I was hoping to learn more about the reasons why higher carb work better for me. [/quote]

without knowing full details, it could be a host of factors that is not the fault of a HF/LC diet per se, though it very well could for you.

And yet again, “finding out what works for you” reigns supreme!

[quote]eaboadar wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
If all things are controlled and you honestly feel better doing the LF?HC approach go for it.

Personally, my body all around for fat loss like HF/LC. I’m not gonna sit here and argue the science of it, because for you the reverse seems to be true.

BTW- I can lose weight very easily on any diet, that said it was near effortless to get very lean for myself using a HF/LC approach[/quote]

No need to discuss the science of it, I think we are all pretty much clear on it. Your experience with HF/LC backs it up and I think this approach works for most people. In my case, it doesn’t seem to work quite as well, although I have given variations of this approach several honest tries. However I was hoping to learn more about the reasons why higher carb work better for me. [/quote]

Plenty of discussion left on the science, but it would all be hypothetical. I’m on HF/LC for other reasons, and it treats me just fine for fat loss. But I have friends who do not succeed in losing weight on a HF/LC diet. They initial lose that water weight and then just stall, and do better on a higher carb calorie restricted diet.

Anyway, it isn’t just you :slight_smile:

–Me

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
BTW- I can lose weight very easily on any diet, that said it was near effortless to get very lean for myself using a HF/LC approach[/quote]

IMO…it is much easier to keep my LBM on low carb restrictions than the other way around.