Hello everyone, I'm a long time TNation reader and after llurking on these forums for the past few years, i've decided to join in with the fun.
Anyway, I have been seriously contemplating using insulin to use for a month whilst i'm off cycle (mainly to keep some more gains until my next cycle). I have some fast acting slin (novorapid), and I plan to work up to 10 ius per workout day.
My question is, would you guys recommend shooting pre or post workout, and how would this effect the pre/intra/post workout nutrition?
and if anyone wants to know my stats
age - 30 height - 5'11 weight - 210 bf - 12-15% years lifting - 10 (4 with aas)
if you're gonna run insulin, then run it post workout... you're using it to shuttle additional nutrients into the muscles. don't use it pre-workout, as you could get low blood sugar from that. not like "i don't feel good" LBS, i mean "i'm shaking uncontrollably and am going to pass out" LBS...
use caution with insulin, and let someone know who's gonna be around you when you use it. also, get a glucogon kit and blood sugar meter as well, just in case you go low and need immediate care...
i don't think it's necessary to run it several times a day, as you'll simply end up needing to eat a ton more carbs to keep from going low. you still produce insulin, so every time you shoot additional insulin, then you're gonna need to eat that many more carbs to account for that.
realize this, insulin can actually kill you, and like in a somewhat rapid fashion....
Insulin can kill you yes, But anyone who practices good judgement never has a problem. The most people I've hear about that had problems were people who accidentally overused the slin, Like filling the syringe up to the 2 hash mark and thinking it was 2 IU's when in reality it was 20 IUs!
could be, I can walk into walmarts pharmacy and get humilin r no problem and no questions asked. I would think a pharmacy would have to sell slow acting insulin due to the amount of diabetics out there with no insurance, not everyone can afford to go to a doctor or clinic to get the documentation. If someone who needed insulin died due to the pharmacy denying them, the pharmacy could be in deep shit.
I take 10iu novalin R with meal 1 and another 10iu with my post workout meal
I take 10iu Humalog pre-workout and sip on a shake containing leucine, whey hydro, creatine, beta alanine, and glycerol monostearate and 80g of carbs
pharmacies have to give you insulin if you ask for it. Humulin R and Novalin R are over the counter (without prescription)... it has to be readily available in case of emergency (high blood sugar can lead to coma etc..)
if they refuse to give you humulin R/novalin R, they don't know what they are doing and you need to speak to their supervisor.
I buy novalin R because it's about $25, humulin R is $85-100 because eli lilly terminated their contract with a lot of providers. the two bottles are essentially the same exact thing.
Can taking it throughout the day or just PWO have a detrimental effect on insulin sensitivity or natural insulin production? The whole cascade of negative effects of the so-called 'metabolic syndrome' begins with the presence of too much insulin if I'm not mistaken.
I decided to link this thread as there is some good information in it:
However I think the discussion is limited to the faster acting insulin humalog and novalog. In the thread it mentions that one should consume roughly 15g carbs per iu every 45 mins after injection, yet I wonder if this rule of thumb differs for the slower releasing insulin. Even if the insulin is releasing at a slower rate, a meal consumed during the PWO should have its own release of insulin accompanied by a heightened insulin sensitivity so perhaps it couldn't hurt to follow the same protocol. For most things I would say I may be over-analyzing things but with something this serious, I feel the inquiries are warranted.
"The pharmacologic effect of Novolin R begins approximately one-half (Â½) hour after subcutaneous administration. The effect is maximal between 2Â½ and 5 hours and terminates after approximately 8 hours."
The above refers to subQ, does anyone have any more specific data or suggestions regarding IM/IV injections? 8 hours seems a bit lengthy for my taste, I may have to adapt my workout schedule, the last thing I'd like to do is take it later in the day, fall asleep and go hypoglycemic during the night.
PS I just purchased some from walmart, along with some syringes no questions asked, although I will refrain from taking it as of yet. I live in Texas, if you can do it here, you should be able to pretty much do it anywhere.