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Input on Next Cycle

Hay guys I am looking to put together my next cycle. but am really undecided on what I really want to run. Heres my goal 10-15lb lean maintainable mass and my be lose a little fat. I do not want to bloat or have put on any extra body fat.

my stats 5’9" 203 bf 14% age 32 years training to long (I am very happy with the way i Look just would be nice to have a litel more size). diet as good as it can be while i am in Iraq.

I was thinking of something like this
mast en, winny, ot that i have left over this would be a 12 week cycle. My budy sugested tren en 12weeks insted of the mastron but i have heard their are a lot of side with tren. any in put would be great. yok

[quote]yok wrote:
Hay guys I am looking to put together my next cycle. but am really undecided on what I really want to run. Heres my goal 10-15lb lean maintainable mass and my be lose a little fat. I do not want to bloat or have put on any extra body fat.

my stats 5’9" 203 bf 14% age 32 years training to long (I am very happy with the way i Look just would be nice to have a litel more size). diet as good as it can be while i am in Iraq.

I was thinking of something like this
mast en, winny, ot that i have left over this would be a 12 week cycle. My budy sugested tren en 12weeks insted of the mastron but i have heard their are a lot of side with tren. any in put would be great. yok [/quote]

This would be a 12 week cycle at what dosages? Need more info. As far as tren enth goes, I am currently in a cycle and I am trying it out for the first time. Even at a meager 200mg e/w I am experiencing the night sweats and mild flu like symptoms. If you did go with the tren, go very low dose to assess your tolerance, and run it no longer than 5 weeks. the ace ester is recom. so one can get an idea of wether or not you can tolerate it.

and I hope the “hay guys” was a typo

DezZ

ya that is what i have heard about it. any one have some feed bacn on tren ace say 3-400mg week. that is why I was thinking of mastron en 400wk 12 weeks 300test, 100winny

but am still very undecided. I realy dont want to put on anymore body fat I am finely were i want to be

I just finished a twelve weeker of Mast E and Test E. I ran the Mast at 200mg E3D and the Test at 250mg E3D. Halfway through I added Tren Ace at 50mg ED for 5 weeks. I also used a dbol kickstart for around 4 weeks and winny for the first 4 and the last 4 weeks. All in all this was a good cycle; being my second one to date.

I only got nite sweats as I began to come off of the tren. I tapered my dosage down but I guess my blood levels became a bit unstable. I also enjoyed the increase in aggression. Use tren ace if you worried about the sides thus you will be able to stop them sooner if they occur. I say that tren is worth the shot.

You will enjoy the effects of AAS; they increased my strength, weight and vascularity.

If you eat wisely you should be able to bump up your weight while increasing your bf by 2 percent or so.

Good luck!

[quote]thetruepitbull wrote:
I just finished a twelve weeker of Mast E and Test E. I ran the Mast at 200mg E3D and the Test at 250mg E3D. Halfway through I added Tren Ace at 50mg ED for 5 weeks. I also used a dbol kickstart for around 4 weeks and winny for the first 4 and the last 4 weeks. All in all this was a good cycle; being my second one to date.

I only got nite sweats as I began to come off of the tren. I tapered my dosage down but I guess my blood levels became a bit unstable. I also enjoyed the increase in aggression. Use tren ace if you worried about the sides thus you will be able to stop them sooner if they occur. I say that tren is worth the shot.

You will enjoy the effects of AAS; they increased my strength, weight and vascularity.

If you eat wisely you should be able to bump up your weight while increasing your bf by 2 percent or so.

Good luck![/quote]

sounds good I think I will try it< so what kind kind of gains did you make, did your bf lower any

I am thinking of something like this
test en 500mg week 1-12
mast en 400mg week 1-12
tren en at low does starting around week4
Arimidex .5mg ed every sensitve to gyno

pct nalv clomed

I am not going to use the winny it is to hard on my knees I do have some OT left mybe throu it in towards the end not sure. I still have some time to think thing through

OT would definitely be a nice component to add for lean gains. For well maintained gains I still like Deca [even though most around this site don’t]. Also you mentioned knee problems on Winny. As you probably know most people have increased mobility on Deca.

[quote]sapasion wrote:
OT would definitely be a nice component to add for lean gains. For well maintained gains I still like Deca [even though most around this site don’t]. Also you mentioned knee problems on Winny. As you probably know most people have increased mobility on Deca.[/quote]

Really? Increased mobility on Deca? What is the pharmacutical name? Isn’t anavar and t-bol good for joints also? Thank you.

Deca = Nandralone

[quote]StandTall wrote:
sapasion wrote:
OT would definitely be a nice component to add for lean gains. For well maintained gains I still like Deca [even though most around this site don’t]. Also you mentioned knee problems on Winny. As you probably know most people have increased mobility on Deca.

Really? Increased mobility on Deca? What is the pharmacutical name? Isn’t anavar and t-bol good for joints also? Thank you.[/quote]

Deca or its proper name nandrolone as DC correctly points out is supposed to increase fluid storage in one’s connective tissue moreso than any other AAS. 17AA roids will never be able to touch injectables in this respect. Although even if there were injectable anavar or OT it would not be comparable to the nandrolone.

A quote from some official place:
Since Deca also stores more water in the connective tissues, it can temporarily case or even cure existing pain in joints. This is especially good for those athletes who complain about pain in the shoulder, elbow, and knee; they can often enjoy pain-free workouts during treatment with Deca-Durabolin

Thank you.

[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Deca = Nandralone[/quote]

Great to know!

[quote]sapasion wrote:
StandTall wrote:
sapasion wrote:
OT would definitely be a nice component to add for lean gains. For well maintained gains I still like Deca [even though most around this site don’t]. Also you mentioned knee problems on Winny. As you probably know most people have increased mobility on Deca.

Really? Increased mobility on Deca? What is the pharmacutical name? Isn’t anavar and t-bol good for joints also? Thank you.

Deca or its proper name nandrolone as DC correctly points out is supposed to increase fluid storage in one’s connective tissue moreso than any other AAS. 17AA roids will never be able to touch injectables in this respect. Although even if there were injectable anavar or OT it would not be comparable to the nandrolone.

A quote from some official place:
Since Deca also stores more water in the connective tissues, it can temporarily case or even cure existing pain in joints. This is especially good for those athletes who complain about pain in the shoulder, elbow, and knee; they can often enjoy pain-free workouts during treatment with Deca-Durabolin[/quote]

The best cycle I have ever done for leaning out is:

Weeks 1-8
100mg Test Prop
100mg Masteron
75mg Tren Acetate
per day

I also used 50mg/day of anavar but couldn’t handle the insane back pumps. I noticed that the anavar really helped out with the bellyfat though.

I have a lot of AAS experience so I would recommend trying this cycle at that dosage every other day.

There are many UGlabs that sell that as a blend… :slight_smile:

T-Matt

[quote]T-Matt wrote:
The best cycle I have ever done for leaning out is:

Weeks 1-8
100mg Test Prop
100mg Masteron
75mg Tren Acetate
per day

T-Matt[/quote]

please give some more details… how much fat you drop? which bf% you are on when you start? which kind of nutrition plan you use?

I started this cycle weighing in at 148 (5 feet 5 inches) and was a smidgen under 9% bf. Just to note I was coming off of a summer nutrition plan where I was eating only 3200 cals a day. I dropped from 170 to 148 in 3 months, strictly by diet and weightlifting.

I gained 17 lbs in the first 2 months and 4 pounds in the last. My bf may have increased by 2 percent, but this observation based on looking in the mirror. I will be getting it checked later this week. Over the period of 3 months I increased my cals from 3200 to a high of 5000. I also may note that my vascularity slightly increased as well and has also maintained along with my weight. No where near my genetic potential I guess (and hope).

The tren was also a nice addition. During which it may have increased my lifts somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 to 12%.

I would like to suggest that you try tapering. I have pretty much convinced all of my friends who have never done this to try it, those who have favor this approach. I believe it is worth the extra bottle of test.

As for the test tapering, I do that as well as the 10mg AM dbol protocol and i keep 99% of my gains. :slight_smile:

Before I did my test prop tren ace masteron cycle i was (i’m 6 foot tall) 237 @ 15% b/f after that cycle I was 258 @ 11% b/f, it was AMAZING!!!

-I ate at least 20oz of steak EVERYDAY
-8 ounces of fat free cottage before bed EVERY NIGHT
-8 egg whites 2 yolks EVERY morning
-Surge & 3g creatine after every workout

I ate very little sugar all my carbs came from apples, veggies, post workout drinks, and oatmeal.

I did Escalating Density Training throughout the cycle.

The only reason I stopped was because I injured my rotator cuff and on top of that my legs were getting too big, I couldn’t fit in any dress pants.

T-Matt

I will also give credit to Anthony Roberts for mentioning that his favorite combination is test/masteron. I gave it a shot and there is no better feeling in the world aside from tren/test.

If a newbie asked me for suggestions for a first cycle I’d suggest:

Weeks 1-12
800-1000mg Test E/C
500mg Drostenolone Enanthate (Masteron is drostenolone propionate, i’d suggest the long acting ester)
50mg Proviron/day

You only have 1 first cycle, you might as well take advantage of your first try at it!! Most people use too little… This cycle would REALLY keep estrogen at bay and the proviron and masteron would really free up the test to do it’s work…

:slight_smile:

T-Matt

[quote]T-Matt wrote:
I will also give credit to Anthony Roberts for mentioning that his favorite combination is test/masteron. I gave it a shot and there is no better feeling in the world aside from tren/test.

If a newbie asked me for suggestions for a first cycle I’d suggest:

Weeks 1-12
800-1000mg Test E/C
500mg Drostenolone Enanthate (Masteron is drostenolone propionate, i’d suggest the long acting ester)
50mg Proviron/day

You only have 1 first cycle, you might as well take advantage of your first try at it!! Most people use too little… This cycle would REALLY keep estrogen at bay and the proviron and masteron would really free up the test to do it’s work…

:slight_smile:

T-Matt[/quote]

Isn’t running masteron and proviron overkill? Don’t they serve basically the identical function?

[quote]T-Matt wrote:
Before I did my test prop tren ace masteron cycle i was (i’m 6 foot tall) 237 @ 15% b/f after that cycle I was 258 @ 11% b/f, it was AMAZING!!!
[/quote]

really amazing!! i think i’ll start researching on tren :wink:

Some people swear by tren. Not everyone however reacts as well to it. After Test itself its probably the #2 in terms of fanfare. Around this board it definitely is.

Proviron and Masteron have an amazing synergy brotha, give them a try together… YEs, they both free up more test and serve as an anti estrogen. I NEVER run a cycle without at least one of them… :slight_smile:

A first timer definitely wants to keep estrogen down to a minimum… At the very least instead of proviron run aromasin.

T-Matt