Wow that’s quite a jump from 15mg of Dbol each morning. I guess i really have to try to get better at not wasting my time.[/quote]
Wasting your time? Reread my post, what i was trying to say seems clear to me but maybe i have expressed myself poorly.
What i want to do is lose some body fat using a very weak and low cycle so i can THEN do a proper cycle asap, my concept was that if i did a very weak morning based cycle thing then i wouldn’t have to wait the 10 weeks that would be reguired for a 6 week cycle with 4 weeks of additional PCT. I wanted to be able to go into the strong cycle asap.
[quote] Brook wrote:
400mg of Test a week over 10-13 weeks will be totally suppressive. 100% suppressive mate; I expect that this statement was more connected to the AM oral cycle you first outlined though… and you seem to have a reasonable understanding of the drugs - but i wanted to make sure you realised this fact.
I am confused though… you have made it clear you are not willing to have any real suppression - so why are you now going with a 10 week Test cycle?
I gathered from your bits of information you aren’t looking to gain weight, but lose fat and want the AAS to preserve (at least) your existing muscle while you diet down?
If this is the case, then i wonder what your stats are currently and what the goal is - this information is really quite necessary to be able to recommend a cycle for you…
It is generally well accepted that a drug such as Anavar (for example) alone would not really be strong enough of an anabolic to preserve muscle while dieting down to any great degree… HOWEVER, you are a natural trainee (i assume) and depending on your stats, you are not going to be trying to hold onto a massive or super-natural amount of muscle, so even the mild anabolism from a drug like that would be helpful in preserving your lean tissue.
I would have expected if you cycle 4-500mg Test with a really quite disciplined and strict cutting regime - that you may well grow into your goal. Adding muscle and losing fat.
As i think has been outlined to you above (i skimmed it only) the use of Dbol in the AM with Var steadily throughout would be very effective for your goal - and IMO your suppression would be significantly less to recover from using that cycle than if you ran a med length Test ester over 10-13 weeks.
I would suggest maybe something like Test Propionate shot at 50-75mg/day for a total between 350mg and 525mg/wk. This would be ample, and if you frontload that and run it for the last ~6 weeks of the diet (with the diet starting a good 4-5 weeks before the cycle begins, when calories are still high and catabolic response will be significantly lower) you will be very happy with the results and would not have any problem recovering within 4 weeks of the cycles end.
Yeah mate i realize a 10-13 week cycle of test will be totally suppressive and your correct in reading that i wanted the early morning cycle to not suppress me, not the test cycle planned after wards. As i said to WINK i only care about suppression because i wanted a fast recovery so i could get into the injectable cycle asap instead of waiting the prerequisite time.
All you have said will be taken on board.
My stats aren’t amazing, because of my chronic knee injuries i have a large upper body, with 18+arms etc but my thighs are tiny due to not being able to get more then 2 consistent years training legs in a row:(. Only my calves are big and that’s purely cause i hit the genetic jack pot on them, 17.5 inches and i don’t train them (i know that’s not huge but i don’t want larger calves with such small upper legs). I am 195cms of UNFORTUNATELY mainly upper body:(. My goals for this cycle were just to drastically increase my leg size, that’s all really. Obviously any other size and strength gains would be great!
Thanks a lot for your help, once again you have shown how helpful you are:).