Hi,
i know for “common knowledge” that Test can be helpfull for muscle recovery (damage tissue, torn muscle etc etc).
I would like to know which are the health benefits of AAS use.
For example about skin damage, bone rebuild/recpvery, joints…
I know Anavar is good for bone density, Nandrolone for joints… GH is a general “graal” for anything… any other informations?
thanks!
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I suspect most will say ‘do some research’, and I’d be one of them, lol.
However here is a slightly different take on the health benefit of T.
Consider that ‘stress’ is a killer, and becoming more and more prevalent in modern society.
Consider that cortisol/adrenaline levels increase and T decreases. The opposite is true also.
Therefore, if you increase T, you decrease the major stress hormones cortisol and adrenaline.
SO, even though you may be told that ‘steroids give you atherosclerosis’, you may want to consider that since steroids (used judiciously) lower that lifestyle factor that causes hardening of the arteries, it could be argued that steroids might actually lower your risk of developing atherosclerosis/hardening of the arteries.
Now, do some research, haha!
Bushy[/quote]
Bushy, I love it that you post here.
What do you guys think about the left ventricular hypertrophy related to steroids and weightlifting?
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Or I could be fulla shit.
Bushy
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Well, if you are, that’s about the most eloquent shit I’ve read.
I am new to this site and have never used AAS before. However, the subject is quite interesting to me since over my training life I come into contact with many “users” and truthfully, if one has been training for a decent amount of time (at least 5 years), the temptation of using or even the consideration of using always comes up one way or another.
Now, I don’t have a developed opinion on whether or not AAS are “evil” or “benign” yet, but it is smart “free thinking” like BushidoBB’s post that are really a breath of fresh air so to speak. With all the negativity towards these drugs, it’s nice to read as much opposing arguments as possible to disspell what I’m quickly starting to see as gross misinformation based on poorly researched data and sensationalism by the general American populance.
The whole subject of this thread is also pretty damn interesting to me. There MUST be some very good things these drugs can be used for; healthy benefits…and I really really would love to learn. No use…yet…(actually a LONG “yet”)…but learn.
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Now, do some research, haha!
Bushy[/quote]
I have done some, i think, solid research. The problems are:
so I have a bunch of material that help me to have a “general” picture but i would like some more “precise” information
again thank you for your help
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Yeah, AAS + GH increases the heart mass more than just AAS, and of course the mg amount of the used substances varies how much your heart will grow. Been skimming through thesis of Tuomo Karila about ‘Adverse effects of anabolic androgenic steroids on the cardiovascular, metabolic and reproductive systems of anabolic substance abusers’
http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut/laa/biola/vk/karila/adversee.pdf
Section 8.1. has information about it.
“One of the subjects was studied three times: when he used both AAS and GH; then 237 days later, when
he was not abusing any substances; and when he resumed abusing AAS alone. On these occasions, his
LV mass was 3.8 per mill, 2.3 per mill and 3.1per mill of his body weight, respectively”
If I understand figure 13 right on that thesis, the difference between non-users and AAS only isn’t that great, I guess it’s greater as the dosage increases.
That one AAS+GH is pretty massive: 420 grams.
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[quote]HKDOOM wrote:
Yeah, AAS + GH increases the heart mass more than just AAS, and of course the mg amount of the used substances varies how much your heart will grow. Been skimming through thesis of Tuomo Karila about ‘Adverse effects of anabolic androgenic steroids on the cardiovascular, metabolic and reproductive systems of anabolic substance abusers’
http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut/laa/biola/vk/karila/adversee.pdf
Section 8.1. has information about it.
“One of the subjects was studied three times: when he used both AAS and GH; then 237 days later, when
he was not abusing any substances; and when he resumed abusing AAS alone. On these occasions, his
LV mass was 3.8 per mill, 2.3 per mill and 3.1per mill of his body weight, respectively”
If I understand figure 13 right on that thesis, the difference between non-users and AAS only isn’t that great, I guess it’s greater as the dosage increases.
That one AAS+GH is pretty massive: 420 grams. [/quote]
That IS a massive dosage. Good find, I didn’t see this before I made my most recent post asking about high dosage thing to look out for. Thanks for posting.
I’m continuing a bit on the offtopic side here, sorry for that, but I’m interested what do you guys think about the increased mortality rates, especially by suicide, among AAS users. That thesis touches the subject but doesn’t go into great detail. It mentions a study done about finnish (we already have pretty high suicide rates 
) powerlifters who were suspected (not very scientific) of using AAS and they had increased mortality rate by suicide.
I’m guessing that the people who are more prone to do suicide, might abuse AAS more easily and after stopping the usage they might not feel like being on top of the world anymore, especially coming off from a really long period of time of abusing drugs. So in essence, it’s not really about the AAS, although it might launch the underlying thoughts about committing suicide.
What do you guys think? The scientific basis of that study wasn’t the greatest but according to my logic it might be sound.
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As a side note to the healing benefits of steroids - on sunday i fractured/broke 2 fingers in the gym by dropping a 50kg dumbell on my hand - how clever of me i know.
I saw the x-rays taken an hour or so later which showed that both sides of the bones were damaged, indicating to the doctor he told me - the fratures were straight through the bone - i was x-rayed again today and there was no visible damage to the bones? the doc told me the swelling i had was miraculous for the injury sustained and he sent me back to x-ray twice to try and find out where the fractures had gone.
I am currently on test e, dbol cycle.
Running the dbol @ 80mg a day. Now Dbol has an effect on calcium processes within the body? so does this explain such rapid recovery, maybe the injury was mis diagnosed?
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AAS is also used to treat anemia
Hey Bushy would the taper pct help with the depression, and would keeping the estrogen in check throughout cycle also help too
As far as I have experienced yes, check and “controlling” E level is the way to fight emo/depression sides…