Infantryman/Operator Stack!

Pharma / TRT
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[quote]nocoolnick wrote:
Alright here’s the cycle my buddy is doing. Mind you gear avail. here is different.
Stats
4th cycle
Male
30 YO
6’2"
200lbs (He just got back from doing some work in a foreign country where he could only eat bread, rice and not much meat.)
Goals, right now get back roughly to where he was size and strength wise (was aroun 220lbs very lean and fairly strong but nothing like a powerlifter.)
Training like a “military athlete”. Some days will be a ruck sack march, some circuit training, power lifting, Oly lift, fighting/Muay Thai,…

I Don’t have his blood work but I told him to get checked first.

WK 1-10 test e 1000mg/wk
WK 1-10 Mast e 450mg/wk
WK 1-3 Anadrol 100mg/day (as a kicker, to bring back size and strength) he may cut before if he gets where he wants faster than predicted.
WK 3-9-ish HCG 250iu/EOD Stop 5 days before last pin
WK 7-10 Tbol 50mg/day (to give a last good little boost)

PCT
WK 13 Nolva 40mg/day
WK 14-16 Nolva 20mg/day

AI is pretty hard to get here and never needed some before but will keep some SERM (NOLVA) on hand in case. I know, not the best but better than nothing.

I suggested to use that over 12 weeks but he wanted 10 weeks.

Alright, I don’t mind being flamed if I learn something. [/quote]

i just re-read this, and am suprised i missed this…

“your buddy” is running nearly 2 grams a week to regain 20 lbs?

how long does he hope to hold on to that weight before field time or another deployment?

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[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]nocoolnick wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
^you need an AI if you’re running a gram a week of test.

don’t you guys spend any time in the field any more? when i was active, i couldn’t do more than a 5-6 weeker…

i think for most military folks, anavar is gonna be the bread and butter…[/quote]

Won’t the masteron help to control the E problem?

My buddy just got back from deployment. He’s got some time off and most of the field stuff is usually day long training.

Anavar? Well I’m pretty sure that’s for girls only…[/quote]

You dont always need a AI some respond differently. I run well over a gram and my E2 levels are well with in range. When I went up to 2000mg it only went up just barely over acceptable range. Mast does have some anti estrogen properties but not as strong as a actual AI. How strong of or if you need a AI is dependent on the person. How ever only blood work can really tell you for sure.

As for Anavar its not only for women. Its a good option for men as well how ever it is very expensive compared to other drugs. [/quote]

I’ve read quite a bit about anavar but everybody says to stay away from that for guys. At least when it’s used alone. Stacked could give half decent results. Again from what I’ve read. Also, all that’s available at a decent price is UGL stuff and anavar being one of the most faked around. Not an option.

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]nocoolnick wrote:
Alright here’s the cycle my buddy is doing. Mind you gear avail. here is different.
Stats
4th cycle
Male
30 YO
6’2"
200lbs (He just got back from doing some work in a foreign country where he could only eat bread, rice and not much meat.)
Goals, right now get back roughly to where he was size and strength wise (was aroun 220lbs very lean and fairly strong but nothing like a powerlifter.)
Training like a “military athlete”. Some days will be a ruck sack march, some circuit training, power lifting, Oly lift, fighting/Muay Thai,…

I Don’t have his blood work but I told him to get checked first.

WK 1-10 test e 1000mg/wk
WK 1-10 Mast e 450mg/wk
WK 1-3 Anadrol 100mg/day (as a kicker, to bring back size and strength) he may cut before if he gets where he wants faster than predicted.
WK 3-9-ish HCG 250iu/EOD Stop 5 days before last pin
WK 7-10 Tbol 50mg/day (to give a last good little boost)

PCT
WK 13 Nolva 40mg/day
WK 14-16 Nolva 20mg/day

AI is pretty hard to get here and never needed some before but will keep some SERM (NOLVA) on hand in case. I know, not the best but better than nothing.

I suggested to use that over 12 weeks but he wanted 10 weeks.

Alright, I don’t mind being flamed if I learn something. [/quote]

i just re-read this, and am suprised i missed this…

“your buddy” is running nearly 2 grams a week to regain 20 lbs?

how long does he hope to hold on to that weight before field time or another deployment?[/quote]

Yes it’s my buddy. A friend. Not me.

My bad, I meant he needs 20lbs to be back where he was and wants to go over that. Now it really depends on, as you know, everything else. Eating and training. Just like Reed he’s using 2g/week but he’s not training to be big. He’s training to be strong. But he’ll definitely be bigger. I ‘proposed’ a few different options and this time he wanted a little bit more of everything. So strength and size he wants, strength and size he will get.

As far as how long he’ll keep that, not so sure. It really goes with what next for him at work.

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[quote]nocoolnick wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]nocoolnick wrote:
Alright here’s the cycle my buddy is doing. Mind you gear avail. here is different.
Stats
4th cycle
Male
30 YO
6’2"
200lbs (He just got back from doing some work in a foreign country where he could only eat bread, rice and not much meat.)
Goals, right now get back roughly to where he was size and strength wise (was aroun 220lbs very lean and fairly strong but nothing like a powerlifter.)
Training like a “military athlete”. Some days will be a ruck sack march, some circuit training, power lifting, Oly lift, fighting/Muay Thai,…

I Don’t have his blood work but I told him to get checked first.

WK 1-10 test e 1000mg/wk
WK 1-10 Mast e 450mg/wk
WK 1-3 Anadrol 100mg/day (as a kicker, to bring back size and strength) he may cut before if he gets where he wants faster than predicted.
WK 3-9-ish HCG 250iu/EOD Stop 5 days before last pin
WK 7-10 Tbol 50mg/day (to give a last good little boost)

PCT
WK 13 Nolva 40mg/day
WK 14-16 Nolva 20mg/day

AI is pretty hard to get here and never needed some before but will keep some SERM (NOLVA) on hand in case. I know, not the best but better than nothing.

I suggested to use that over 12 weeks but he wanted 10 weeks.

Alright, I don’t mind being flamed if I learn something. [/quote]

i just re-read this, and am suprised i missed this…

“your buddy” is running nearly 2 grams a week to regain 20 lbs?

how long does he hope to hold on to that weight before field time or another deployment?[/quote]

Yes it’s my buddy. A friend. Not me.

My bad, I meant he needs 20lbs to be back where he was and wants to go over that. Now it really depends on, as you know, everything else. Eating and training. Just like Reed he’s using 2g/week but he’s not training to be big. He’s training to be strong. But he’ll definitely be bigger. I ‘proposed’ a few different options and this time he wanted a little bit more of everything. So strength and size he wants, strength and size he will get.

As far as how long he’ll keep that, not so sure. It really goes with what next for him at work. [/quote]

okay, then have him post on here.

why he needs you to gather this information is beyond me…

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[/quote]

okay, then have him post on here.

why he needs you to gather this information is beyond me…[/quote]

yeah I understand. It might look slightly weird but that’s just how it is. But I don’t mind learning new things.

thanks

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[quote]nocoolnick wrote:
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okay, then have him post on here.

why he needs you to gather this information is beyond me…[/quote]

yeah I understand. It might look slightly weird but that’s just how it is. But I don’t mind learning new things.

thanks[/quote]

i get that you’re interested as well, but a lot of folks here give rather specific information, and prefer to know that we’re giving to someone who’s gonna take it seriously. we’re also expecting you to forward this info on to someone else, without having a lot of prior knowledge of the subject…

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]nocoolnick wrote:
[/quote]

okay, then have him post on here.

why he needs you to gather this information is beyond me…[/quote]

yeah I understand. It might look slightly weird but that’s just how it is. But I don’t mind learning new things.

thanks[/quote]

i get that you’re interested as well, but a lot of folks here give rather specific information, and prefer to know that we’re giving to someone who’s gonna take it seriously. we’re also expecting you to forward this info on to someone else, without having a lot of prior knowledge of the subject…[/quote]

Yes I understand. But although my knowledge about the subject is very very limited, his is even worst. For him, or other friends, the only knowledge they had about PEDs was “take those pills/inject you’ll get huge and strong” kinda.

What I mean, is when you don’t even know that you should know more it makes it even more confusing. Just like working. It’s easy, pick up weigth, lift weigth and drop weigth. With years of training, although the basic remains, you realise that there way more than just that.

From his previous experience they didn’t even know about PCT. All they knew was what the guy told them. “Inject this many CCs per week for that long”. That was it. So talking to them, they realised that I knew way more than them, yes again I know very little. So they basically ask my advice.

Now it seems that finding stuff (cycles) for pure bodybuilders or powerlifter is fairly common so it would be an easy search for them. But when you venture in the world of “I need to be stronger, faster, bigger, recover faster, high level of endurance, endurance carrying heavy weigths, without sleep, without eating properly…” the knowledge is a little harder to come by. So with the research I’ve done, I figured out that test/mast was probably the best combo for them. Obviously some want more of this some more of that so I try to suggest additions or increase/decrease of components. Again, very little knowledge but learning.

Also, this forum can be very unforgiving sometimes. I’ve been lurking (like a lot of people) for a long time before posting. Seeing how some people get flamed pretty hard. I know I would get somehow the same treatment but like I said, as long as I learn something I don’t really care.

So short story long, they could come here and ask the questions themselves but they would probably get laughed at and would be even more confused in the end.

Wow, feels like I wrote the story of my life here. lol

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^maybe i didn’t explain this right, but i’ll try again…

i’m totally fine with questions, people bouncing ideas around, etc…

what i find frustrating is someone planning a cycle, and doesn’t care enough to seek the info on his own and requires a friend to do it. AAS use for the most part, is not legal, and this is also medical advice. IMO, he should care enough to come here (or anywhere) and get the info he needs and not expect a friend to do it…

also, i’m always concerned that when i give advice on something of this nature, that the “friend” might misinterpret something, or add their own opinion when relaying the info to the friend. not saying you will, but we’ve all seen it happen here…

again, not trying to be a dick to you for learning and your interest in the topic…

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
^maybe i didn’t explain this right, but i’ll try again…

i’m totally fine with questions, people bouncing ideas around, etc…

what i find frustrating is someone planning a cycle, and doesn’t care enough to seek the info on his own and requires a friend to do it. AAS use for the most part, is not legal, and this is also medical advice. IMO, he should care enough to come here (or anywhere) and get the info he needs and not expect a friend to do it…

also, i’m always concerned that when i give advice on something of this nature, that the “friend” might misinterpret something, or add their own opinion when relaying the info to the friend. not saying you will, but we’ve all seen it happen here…

again, not trying to be a dick to you for learning and your interest in the topic…[/quote]

I understand full well and I really appreciate your honesty. Yes it some ways it would be better for him/them to do their homework and figure out what they want/need. But at the same time, just on this forum, for the same question we got as many different opinion as people who posted here.

I’ve been lurking on this forum for a little while. Went on other forums/web sites and read most of “Anabolics” by William Llwellyn and the more you dig in, the more confusing it gets. Everybody got their opinion and everybody seems to be ‘right’. I mean everybody (those who seems to know) have good logic and/or good knowledge in chemisty and biology but they all have slightly different opinion. They all seem right but who’s right-er?

For the un-initiate it can get very confusing on who’s idea is the best. Like I said before bodybuilding and powerlifting is a little bit more straigth foward but when you try to find some stuff that is not one of those two it seems even more confusing.

I read the sticky by “Furious George”. I actually copy and pasted and printed the whole thing and use it as base reference. Everything seems to be logical and good but you’ll always have someone, with some half decent (internet) credentials that will go against what he’s saying.

For example in the book “Anabolics” by W. Llwellyn the PCT format is way different than what I read here. What’s in the book is, apparently use by real medical (doctors?) specialist for people who have abuse steroids and can’t get their own system to start producing natural test anymore.

So in the end, you’re totally right, those people (my friends) should do their own research, but as irresponsible as it is, I know they won’t. As a friend, I’m glad to at least give them some sort of direction. I always make sure that they understand that things can go wrong. I make sure they understand that what worked for someone might not work for the other. And so on…

Also, gotta start somewhere on my quest to become a steroid Guru… just kidding. (But really knowledge is power…)

I’m glad to have a intelligent discussion with someone. Always love to learn from more knowlegdable people.