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Inducing Ketosis (Insulin/Metformin)

Something CT mentioned in an article recently caught my attention. It was about how some bodybuilders use insulin to induce Ketosis in a matter of hours rather than days.

Has anyone any experience of doing this?
Dangers?

Anybody used Metformin to achieve the same effect?

I am about to start the anabolic diet so it would be useful to be able to hit Ketosis as quick as possible if/when I fall out of ketosis after the 2 day carb-ups.

Your thoughts gentleman…

Why not try BCAAs like CT recommended??

[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
Something CT mentioned in an article recently caught my attention. It was about how some bodybuilders use insulin to induce Ketosis in a matter of hours rather than days.

Has anyone any experience of doing this?
Dangers?

Anybody used Metformin to achieve the same effect?

I am about to start the anabolic diet so it would be useful to be able to hit Ketosis as quick as possible if/when I fall out of ketosis after the 2 day carb-ups.

Your thoughts gentleman…[/quote]

that messing with insulin, especially for the above purposes will seriously fuck you up long term.

just my thoughts

dezz

It is done and successfully by those who are very well experienced with slin use pre and post training and those who used it at 10IU 3x a day 3-4x a week… those kinda guys.

None of that here.

You will find many articles on the practice on meso - it is absolutely one of the easiest ways to kill yourself using the peptide… and i do not recommend it to anyone that needs to ask.

If you were capable of running the protocol you and your EX-IFBB trainer would be working it out already, and you would have not only entered ketosis naturally a number of times, used slin a number of times, but competed a number of times.

This is not the protocol for everyday non-competitive BB’s

Lets leave it at that shall we?

B

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[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Why not try BCAAs like CT recommended??[/quote]

Leucine. But yes. Inducing quick ketosis with insulin is much too dangerous and the payout too small for all but a select few.

Thanks for the clarification jsbrook. Yes indeed CT did recommend using Leucine (the primary BCAA). Here is the excerpt from CT’s article and the link to the full article:

A safer (and legal) way to accomplish the same thing is to use Leucine for the same purpose as insulin. Leucine is a ketogenic amino acid. It leads to a large (but within your own natural limits) insulin spike. If you don’t consume any carbs 1 hour prior and up to 2 hours after ingesting leucine, your blood glucose will lower significantly, helping you reach ketosis faster.

You can do this on your carb-up day, which would look like this:

Morning (1-2 meals): carbs from fruit to fill liver glycogen first
Between 11 am and 2 pm (2 meals): carbs from starchy sources (rice, yams, potatoes, etc.)
Mid-afternoon meal (around 3-4 pm): last carb meal of the day… high glycemic carbs

And from 4 pm you only have protein and fat along with ingesting 5-10g of leucine every 2 hours (5 pm, 7 pm, 9 pm, 11 pm for example). The key is no carbs after 3-4 pm.

This will help you get into ketosis much faster and it will be both easier and more effective to diet down while in a low carb state.

Note that this method can be further enhanced by using supplements that enhance insulin sensitivity (R-ALA, fenugreek, fish oil, etc.), the first two ingredients being found in Biotest’s Receptor Max and the third in Biotest’s Flameout.

Article link below (Ketosis part on page 2):

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Please don’t do it. You are a friend of mine and I’d hate to miss your funeral, because I have a curfew and can’t attend.

BBB[/quote]

He could write it in his will that his funeral has to be arranged to meet your curfew requirements.

There’s always a way, stop being so negative!

I’ve had fairly good results with a combo of ALA and Vanadyl Sulfate. I can get into ketosis in 2 days, provided I keep my protein low, carbs non-existant, and keep my overall caloric intake in check.

[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Thanks for the clarification jsbrook. Yes indeed CT did recommend using Leucine (the primary BCAA). Here is the excerpt from CT’s article and the link to the full article:

[/quote]

Sure. The distinction is an important one. Leucine and lysine are the ketogenic amino acids in humans. Ketogenic amino acids are amino acids that can be converted into ketone bodies through ketogenesis.

Valine is a glucogenic amino acid. In fact, all amino acids except leucine and lysine are partially glucogenic. They are not appropriate for achieving ketosis.

[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
Something CT mentioned in an article recently caught my attention. It was about how some bodybuilders use insulin to induce Ketosis in a matter of hours rather than days.

Has anyone any experience of doing this?
Dangers?

Anybody used Metformin to achieve the same effect?

I am about to start the anabolic diet so it would be useful to be able to hit Ketosis as quick as possible if/when I fall out of ketosis after the 2 day carb-ups.

Your thoughts gentleman…[/quote]

I have used metformin with great success. I do a CKD diet and like metformin while carbing up as well. The insulin I would stay away from.

All good advice, thanks guys.

I was not really considering using Slin to achieve Ketosis…just wondering if anyone else had used it in such a way. Seems a little dangerous to me.

But I was considering perhaps using Metformin to achieve a similar effect…a lot safer and Metformin is something which has perked up my interest lately.