Indigo-3G Observers Thread

Supplements and Nutrition
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[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]stevo_ wrote:
Is going to be interesting, hard to know how much you can read into a lot of the logs though. There some level 4’s there that seem like they could benefit from joining a gym, let a lone a $400 wonder supplement!

Hope like hell it works as promised though thats for sure.[/quote]

Seriously. Most of the people who posted physique pictures looked pretty awful.

It will be hard to separate whether their seeing results from the supplement, or simply from actually working out harder and keeping a log.[/quote]

That was exactly my initial reaction when BiP posted some info about the routine.

Once you start making more than once change when testing a new supplement, the results can be skewed.

I imagine most people will be skeptical to what is being claimed here. But, from experience, most people will also be change more than one factor when trying out a new supplement because of any hype surrounding it.

It is nice to see trained individuals who would certainly be among the skeptics taking part in the ‘testing’ of the supplement.

Biotest has made some bold claims in the past, but it would be suicide to do so if it didn’t really work.

I’m interested to see how it works out for everyone.[/quote]

Oh, oh, they’re talking about me!
Ok, just kidding :wink:

  1. Changing variables
    I would say that not only CAN the results be skewed if you change a (meaningful) variable, they WILL be skewed. That’s why I didn’t increase or shift my carb intake during my first week, nor did I change my training, with the exception of a couple of extra sets here and there, since I usually play the volume by ear anyway.
    I’m running many simulations right now as part of my PhD, essentially tweaking variables one by one. Even in a simple system like that changes are clearly noticeable with certain variables. And a human body is NOT a simple system.

If I wasn’t selected for CT’s group I would, at this point (8th day on Indigo) start ramping up (but not shifting) carbs. However, I would be a fool not to try to reap the benefits of training under CT’s supervision. And given that my training will change significantly as a result of that, not changing variables is going out of the window anyway.

My first week on Indigo has told me a bit about how I react to it. Today’s session (with carbs moved mostly to pre and increased) told me even more. I will not have the benefit of having performed a semi-controlled pseudo-experiment, but by the end I believe I will still have learned a lot about Indigo. And given how fast it seems to work even that first week is significant (as unusually quick as that it).

  1. Skepticism
    I think one should be skeptical of each and every new supplement (or training method) one tries. I was skeptical of Anaconda. Now I love it. I am STILL skeptical of Indigo, but I am noticing things that make me believe that it is the real deal.

  2. Bold claims
    Biotest has a thing for big marketing. It can be annoying at times, but (in my relatively short time here) I have never been disappointed with what they provide.

B.

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[quote]datx21 wrote:
Any update on the expected civilian release of I3G?
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Based on initial schedule I’d say 2 weeks or so. From what Chris has been saying recently I believe that this batch will be larger and the Indigo Team 1 people are on a “priority list” for it.

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The people who already got to try it are on the priority list?? Thats total bush league if you ask me. Team one already got an early release while all the other loyal customers got snuffed. And by large part the team was picked by people who can sit at their computers all day and respond to livespills, while longtime loyal customers who were equally interested but without access to the spills all the live long day got the royal shaft.

Everyone knows you don’t go up to the buffet for seconds before everyone else has had a chance to at least get firsts, come on now Biotest open it up to everyone at the same time.

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Biotest is making sure thye can run a full 12 week cycle if they so choose which makes sense.

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man 400 bucks I can literally load up on so many supplements that would probably last me 2-3 month.

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But would the supplements do what Indigo-G3 can do? That is the real question.

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[quote]datx21 wrote:
The people who already got to try it are on the priority list?? Thats total bush league if you ask me. Team one already got an early release while all the other loyal customers got snuffed. And by large part the team was picked by people who can sit at their computers all day and respond to livespills, while longtime loyal customers who were equally interested but without access to the spills all the live long day got the roayl shaft.

Everyone knows you don’t go up to the buffet for seconds before everyone else has had a chance to at least get firsts, come on now Biotest open it up to everyone at the same time.[/quote]

Perhaps there will be some manufacturing/production breakthrough in the upcoming weeks that will allow Biotest to offer this revolutionary, game-changing supplement to the general public at a price that, while possibly cutting their profit margin to near zero in the process, enables the Average Joe to reap the benefits of supplements formulated for elite professional athletes?

If so, then maybe the people who spent $400 bucks on the initial batch might be slightly annoyed they bit the hook after the very first cast… despite the fact they are also getting personal coaching from a professional.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
But would the supplements do what Indigo-G3 can do? That is the real question.[/quote]

what does Indigo-G3 even do? Have you seen anyone who has made legit results BECAUSE of it? (the answer is no)

They are basically still in the testing process with this supp.

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[quote]anonym wrote:
If so, then maybe the people who spent $400 bucks on the initial batch might be slightly annoyed they bit the hook after the very first cast… despite the fact they are also getting personal coaching from a professional.[/quote]

Even if the price drops to $200 I will be satisfied, considering the personal coaching.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
But would the supplements do what Indigo-G3 can do? That is the real question.[/quote]

what does Indigo-G3 even do? Have you seen anyone who has made legit results BECAUSE of it? (the answer is no)

They are basically still in the testing process with this supp.[/quote]

Are you asking have I personally visually seen the results. Then of course the answer is no because I have to try it for myself to see what it does to me. But I do believe Biotest makes fantastic products and I believe the testimonies of CT and Chris. I have been following some of the logs of the more experienced members that really know their body and they are feeling the effects/seeing results. Those are the results I was referring to.

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I also realize that it is not a miracle pill and that diet and hard training are needed to see optimal results. But training hard and keeping a good diet are not that hard and actually quite enjoyable.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
But would the supplements do what Indigo-G3 can do? That is the real question.[/quote]

what does Indigo-G3 even do? Have you seen anyone who has made legit results BECAUSE of it? (the answer is no)

They are basically still in the testing process with this supp.[/quote]

The articles leading up to the trials indicate what Biotest speculates it does. And so far, it is having legit results for me. I do respect your skepticism though…I think that should be encouraged alot more actually. I was going into this with the same general attitude I think you are having with this stuff. And, surprising to me, this is something that actually seems to live up to its hype.

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i think the real value of it will lay in the fact IF after the 12 weeks people continue to be able to handle more carbs WITHOUT continuing I3G

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:
i think the real value of it will lay in the fact IF after the 12 weeks people continue to be able to handle more carbs WITHOUT continuing I3G[/quote]

That would very outstanding. That would mean it should me marketed to a much wider audience because of the large health benefits.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
i think the real value of it will lay in the fact IF after the 12 weeks people continue to be able to handle more carbs WITHOUT continuing I3G[/quote]

That would very outstanding. That would mean it should me marketed to a much wider audience because of the large health benefits.[/quote]

Would be amazing. Would be damn hard to prove though wouldn’t it?

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[quote]stevo_ wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
i think the real value of it will lay in the fact IF after the 12 weeks people continue to be able to handle more carbs WITHOUT continuing I3G[/quote]

That would very outstanding. That would mean it should me marketed to a much wider audience because of the large health benefits.[/quote]

Would be amazing. Would be damn hard to prove though wouldn’t it?[/quote]

i guess it would just have to be one of those things where we have to rely on the “user’s” anecdotal observataions…

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[quote]stevo_ wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
i think the real value of it will lay in the fact IF after the 12 weeks people continue to be able to handle more carbs WITHOUT continuing I3G[/quote]

That would very outstanding. That would mean it should me marketed to a much wider audience because of the large health benefits.[/quote]

Would be amazing. Would be damn hard to prove though wouldn’t it?[/quote]

I really dont think anything in the scientific community ever gets proven. Or at least that is what I have been told in every science class/lab. Ideas and hypotheses are only supported or not supported. It leaves room for interpretation and new tests and more results.

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[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
But would the supplements do what Indigo-G3 can do? That is the real question.[/quote]

what does Indigo-G3 even do? Have you seen anyone who has made legit results BECAUSE of it? (the answer is no)

They are basically still in the testing process with this supp.[/quote]

The articles leading up to the trials indicate what Biotest speculates it does. And so far, it is having legit results for me. I do respect your skepticism though…I think that should be encouraged alot more actually. I was going into this with the same general attitude I think you are having with this stuff. And, surprising to me, this is something that actually seems to live up to its hype. [/quote]

personally, I am VERY PLEASED with the way Biotest has released this product. With how publicly accessible the “trail group” is, its going to be very evident weather or not this product lives up to the hype or not IMO.

I have used more than a handful of Biotests products and I use their products almost exclusively. My only issue with the trial run is the personal training stuff with shelby/ct that can/will skew the results but it is what it is.

If the results come across as advertised (especially with the “fixing the way your body responds to carbs” portion) I will be MORE than happy to give this a go… I mean, who wouldnt?!? lol

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I’ve tripled carb intake with no fat gain (with no change in my training except cutting cardio). When I did that before, I would balloon up in 1 week, EVERY time, even WITH cardio. I’m sold on it.

Now the big thing for me is, will that continue AFTER the 12 weeks? That to me, will be the the real benefit as it is so expensive that it could never be affordable as a regular use supplement.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
I’ve tripled carb intake with no fat gain (with no change in my training except cutting cardio). When I did that before, I would balloon up in 1 week, EVERY time, even WITH cardio. I’m sold on it.

Now the big thing for me is, will that continue AFTER the 12 weeks? That to me, will be the the real benefit as it is so expensive that it could never be affordable as a regular use supplement.[/quote]

ok, but have you added more muscle or got any leaner? otherwise, all you’ve done is triple carb intake. This is one of the things i didn’t really understand when people were saying. “i added carbs and got leaner” well, great, but unless the fatloss is better than lowering carbs or whatever you may do already to get lean, aren’t you just paying 400 bucks so you can eat a few carbs? (which i guess one may argue is worth it it a way)

Now, obviously that only speaks to the fat loss piece, but that seems like what the majority of people with logs are trying to do,

Not a shot at you, or the supp by the way, just trying to better understand the practical application of this.