T Nation

Incredulous' First Cycle Log, Test/Dbol

First experience with anabolics here. I have some preexisting man titties from puberty that I’ve always been a bit sensitive about. Keeping an eye on it. Here goes…

Test e 400mg/wk, Wk 1-12
Dbol 30mg/day, Wk 1-6
HCG 250 e3d, Wk 6-13
Arimidex 0.25mg eod (for bloat and gyno, may vary dosage depending on sides)
Nolva on hand, will be picking up some clomid for additional pct duty.

For now I’m splitting the dbol into three doses, less to keep levels stable than to keep the liver happy. Just pinning once a week.

I’m 28 yo, 5’8" 195-198lbs, not lean, not fat, not competitive. I guess I’d consider myself a recreational power builder who likes to stay heavy and hit the occasional conditioning workout from time to time. Training close to a decade now and would probably stay natural but a friend gave me 20ml of test and all the pins I could ever need, so why not. I don’t feel I owe anyone an explanation though; I’m doing this for myself. I currently bench in the threes, squat in the fours, pull in the fives. Let’s see where we’re at in a few months, shall we?


I currently lift 3-5 days/week. I’ll probably break the workouts up to accommodate a little more accessory work and conditioning while I’m on; basically making my 3-4 day split a 5-6 day.
I generally squat twice a week, pull once, and bench or standing press once or twice, alternating week-to-week. Really focusing on the squat, yoke work (shrugs, face pulls, plate raises, direct neck work) and the evil ab wheel. Everything else will get done and get done well but these are my priorities for the next few months.


Day one:

First pin, 2ml in the right quad. Went slow, heated the oil up under the faucet before hand, gave it a palm massage, then ran the area over with a myofascial release stick after a hot shower. Felt good. Surprisingly little anxiety or pain. Very giddy the rest of the day; probably less from the substances than the excitement. Looking forward to the gym tomorrow - and to seeing how sore this leg gets.

Hit 600mg up this first round. I was given 10ml of both 250/ml and 300/ml. That makes enough for 600x2 weeks and 400 for the remainder with a tiny bit to spare but I think I’ll only do 600 this once and keep a little cushion for mismeasured doses. Better safe than sorry. I can always blast the rest on week 12 if there’s more left. Nothing really to say about the dbol except that I took it. The 20mg tabs split easily by hand though, which is convenient.

Stay tuned and thanks for looking.

Looks like you are going to enjoy this. Good first post.

I would recommend starting your HCG no later than week 2 in order to avoid suppressing your testes throughout your cycle. THis will make recovery easier. May have to get another bottle of HCG though, but the cost and effort is well worth it IMO.

If you have enough, I would try to start HCG around week 3 or 4. Also, Test @500mg/wk. No reason not to. That is standard.

Thanks for the input. I really dropped the ball on the HCG but I was testing a source and didn’t want to sink too much in the investigation. Hindsight’s 20/20. I think I may give it a go if I can find some bacteriostatic water and vials locally though. My only concern then is using the HCG up and having something go wrong with my order. The other ancillaries I can find from several alternative sources pretty easily but the hcg is a bit tougher. I assumed running it towards the end would be best. Obviously running it throughout would be ideal. We’ll see. I’ll definitely update this thread either way.


Still on day one. I doubt I’ll update this as intensely as the first few days but while I’m here…

Diet today:
100g whey, 8oz ground beef, 3 eggs, 1.5lbs tilapia, 1/2 gallon whole milk, 1/2 cup heavy cream, 2Tbsp butter, a bunch of cooked spinach, broccoli, green beans and squash.

Low on the carbs and calories but I didn’t do a damn thing today either. This is what my diet generally looks like anyway, except for a few carbs on lunch (usually serving as a meat delivery system) and a wallop of rice or something with dinner after I train. I’ll be slowly layering in more calories over time. I’m hoping the juice gives me more of an appetite. I’m a pretty poor eater otherwise.

@Toby, I’d need more gear. I could certainly do 500 for 10 weeks but I’d rather hang on a few weeks longer. If 400 doesn’t do the trick, I’m in trouble.

I would pin twice a week if it was me

My understanding is that pinning twice a week will result in more stable blood levels, but getting it in all at once will result in higher overall levels. While hitting 400mg results in less than double the blood concentration of a 200mg injection, two staggered 200s are not strictly cumulative and will net less than the average concentration resulting from a single 400mg injection per week.

Are higher but fluctuating levels more anabolic? Are more stable levels safer or easier to recover from? Is one technique suited better for trt, blast-and-cruise or cycling? I’m sure there are definitive answers to all of those questions and I could easily rationalize either technique. For now, fewer injections appeal to me.


Starting day two with only slight soreness in my quad. It’s localized roughly to the injection site when I palpate it and sort of throughout the side of my quad when I walk. No limping or any of that. I don’t see squatting tonight being a problem at all.

You said you had 20ml’s,that’s not going to last for long.?Especially at your dose of 500mg’s a week.that’s 2.5 a week.In 2-month’s your out of juice.? You will be in the groove after the 3rd week a making good gain’s,then at 8-week’s your out of juice. I would suggest a 3-month Minium,as with any good thing it takes time. see ya john

The idea is uou dont want your levels to drop and spike you want them level and constant and by injecting small amounts 2 times a week every 3.5 days you are injecting right before the levels would start to drop. also is you hit your body with say 500 at once and then wait 7 days, to inject again. you are raising and dropping your levels even more because you are i injecting higher doses at once, injecting more frequently will help elevate side effects

Damn Johnny, I should have thought of that before you didn’t read anything I wrote here.


Day 3 and I think I’m getting a little something off the dbol. Didn’t squat yesterday on account of my energy levels and quad soreness. Benched instead and saw zero improvement there. However, I did squat today; also no energy but had a session that felt like I was on 100%. Still no energy but the weights moved like I had my head in the game. Does that make sense? Titties are a little swollen though, more on that in a minute.


Diet yesterday (day 2): 200g whey, cup strawberries, blueberries and a banana, 1/2 cup heavy cream, 1/2 chicken and yucca, 1lb ground beef in chili and 50 oz whole milk.

Diet today (day 3): 150g whey, cup strawberries, blueberries and a banana, 1/2 cup heavy cream, 20oz half-and-half latte, Five Guys Bacon Ch.burger with 3 patties and mayo, 1lb ribeye, 2 cups rice, lots of spinach and 1/2 gallon whole milk.

So here’s what’s up. I think I’m going to start 20mg Nolva/day and run it throughout. I’ve read promising studies that show nolvadex does a decent job of reducing fatty pubertal gyno - which I have. It’s been there forever and I fucking hate it. Today my tits are pointier than they’ve maybe ever been and that scares me. I’m not suggesting that I’ve grown more tissue in three days but that the existing tissue is swelling. Not a placebo/psychosomatic freak-out here; the things look like a fucking before picture for gyno reduction surgery. If I can not only prevent gyno formation while simultaneously (potentially) reducing what gland does exist then I’ll gladly take whatever minor sides may come with the nolvadex. Wish me luck.

High doses of dbol make my nipples puffy as well, when this happens ill blast Nolva for a few days and it goes away an then up my AI dose and never have a problem.

You’ll start seeing results from the dbol about after a week so be patient.

Nothing new to report. Seems like I had a spectacular pump coming out of the gym today though, way more than I’m used to.

Diet’s where I want it to be. I don’t feel uncomfortable ever and I’m getting close to the numbers I want to hit in a few weeks, way ahead of schedule. My appetite hasn’t increased but the novelty of the cycle or some similar effect motivates me to never skip meals and always try to squeeze in another few ounces of meat or Tbsp of heavy cream here and there. Good stuff. Hell, even if the gear is bunk, the motivation to eat and train like I mean it should get me over this plateau.


diet today:
150g whey, strawberries, blueberries, banana, lots of coffee, 1 cup heavy cream, 75g waxy maize, 3 McD double cheeseburgers (two buns). Still have a lot to go. Baking up some tilapia now, probably looking at 1lb+ tilapia and my half gallon of whole milk with veggies and possibly another 50g whey before bed.

I’d watch all that coffee consumption along with the AAS might make you really anxious and increase your BP

Damn, that couldn’t have been a better timed post if you tried! After today I’ll definitely be taking it easy. I got up early today to get some fasted cardio in. Took 100mg caffeine (I usually wake up to 200) and 1/3 my usual ritilin dose (I haven’t taken any caffeine in tablet form, ritilin or other stims since I started) and had another coffee after my 40 minute elliptical romp. Good damn! I felt anxious as hell, heart thumping, all that. I have a VERY high tolerance for caffeine and other stimulants but that kicked my ass today. Really took me by surprise.

Stepped on the scale for the first time after my cardio and it looks like i’m up at least 4lbs. Probably all water and gut mass but it’s moving in the right direction already regardless. Good stuff.

So my nipples are really puffy. Started 20mg nolva Tuesday night. Should I drop the dbol for a while? I’m upping the adex to .33 Ed to start, should I run more nolva to blast it? Probably going to double it for two days and drop the dbol over the weekend; start up Monday at 20mg instead of the 30 I’ve been taking.

Hoping it doesn’t progress. It was ok yesterday but I woke up today and they were really pointy and have started getting a little sensitive this evening. Not painful but a gross feeling. I wish it were all in my head but I don’t think that’s the case. Any experienced advise is appreciated.

[quote]incredulous wrote:
So my nipples are really puffy. Started 20mg nolva Tuesday night. Should I drop the dbol for a while? I’m upping the adex to .33 Ed to start, should I run more nolva to blast it? Probably going to double it for two days and drop the dbol over the weekend; start up Monday at 20mg instead of the 30 I’ve been taking.

Hoping it doesn’t progress. It was ok yesterday but I woke up today and they were really pointy and have started getting a little sensitive this evening. Not painful but a gross feeling. I wish it were all in my head but I don’t think that’s the case. Any experienced advise is appreciated. [/quote]

Blast it with 40mg Nolva till it goes away then drop it to 20mg for another 4-5 days. I would bump up the AI a little more try .5mg


Here’s what we’re dealing with

Again, I guess I aromatize every nanogram of test my body produces because I store loads of fat in my chest and definitely have preexisting glandular gyno under there too.

This was a few days ago. Bad shot to check the chest, the lighting’s different, etc. but it gives a reference. Honestly, I think that shot above is about as bad as I could portray the situation.

Squatted tonight and am starting to feel a definite boost. Actually, “feel” is the wrong word. I don’t feel shit; in fact I feel pretty run down, but even still the squat was poppin tonight! If this is any indication of the things to come then exercising some discipline may be easier said then done. Stay the course… stay the course… stay the course…


Nips feel better today. I think the swelling is just an extension of the general tissue swelling that is taking place and not especially localized to the breasts. Better safe than sorry. Shoulder and elbow tendinitis is acting up though. I don’t know whether to blame the adex or the slightly increased training frequency/volume (intensity has stayed the same for pressing and pulling movements). I am an ibuprofen junkie too and haven’t had any since I started this. Too many variables.

Really, I just need to chill the fuck out.