In Case of An Electoral Tie?

[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
This is not a revolution. This is mind-dead asswipes wanting other people’s money without having to work for it.

What you meant to say was that it is not a revolution you approve of. By anyone’s call though, it is a revolution. The country will be run very differently beginning in 2009, and I can’t wait.
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You are one of the many left-wingers who is going to be sorely disappointed when it is essentially business as usual under President Obama.

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
You are one of the many left-wingers who is going to be sorely disappointed when it is essentially business as usual under President Obama.[/quote]

They will plug their ears and blame the Republicans that don’t go along with Obama’s administrations’ every whim just like the Rs did to the Ds under Bush’s administration.

[quote]forlife wrote:
What you meant to say was that it is not a revolution you approve of.[/quote]

Technically speaking a revolution requires a change of ideas to bring about a new way of acting; for example, the American Revolution was a revolution against the ideas of tyranny not just a change in leadership.

It’s pretty obvious Obama’s ideas on Iraq, healthcare, taxes, social issues, etc. are a 180 from the Bush administration. If that weren’t the case, there wouldn’t be hundreds of posts about the evils of Obama in this thread:

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/qusetion_for_the_obama_haters

[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s pretty obvious Obama’s ideas on Iraq, healthcare, taxes, social issues, etc. are a 180 from the Bush administration. If that weren’t the case, there wouldn’t be hundreds of posts about the evils of Obama in this thread:

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/qusetion_for_the_obama_haters

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The rhetoric is different but the intent is the same in essence. He has no desire the leave the region and in fact has stated his intentions for stronger actions against Iran and Pakistan. There is no difference that means anything to our overseas empire.

[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s pretty obvious Obama’s ideas on Iraq, healthcare, taxes, social issues, etc. are a 180 from the Bush administration. If that weren’t the case, there wouldn’t be hundreds of posts about the evils of Obama in this thread:

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/qusetion_for_the_obama_haters

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Here’s your revolution. Hope you enjoy it.

Black Panthers with nightsticks at a poll in Philly: “A black man is going to win this election.”

http://patriotroom.com/?p=3894

Clearly, the large majority disagree with you given the vehemence for or against Obama being our next president. If he was just more of the same people would stay home instead of voting in record numbers.

[quote]forlife wrote:
Clearly, the large majority disagree with you given the vehemence for or against Obama being our next president. If he was just more of the same people would stay home instead of voting in record numbers.[/quote]

They’re voting in record numbers because the MSM has infected them with BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome); because their lives are empty and they need a “leader” to redeem them; because thanks to postmodern educational methods and indoctrination, they don’t understand the past and the meaning of liberty.

In other words, they’re voting for Obama out of a mixture of ignorance & emptiness.

[quote]forlife wrote:
If he was just more of the same people would stay home instead of voting in record numbers.[/quote]

  1. the count isn’t in yet so don’t be smug about this being a record turn out for Obama. The record turn out in 2004 favored Bush.

  2. the majority of people are not intelligent enough to know the difference between rhetoric and actual meaningful argument; it comes down to which candidate can dupe the most people to vote for him.

  3. winning by a simple majority does not make one’s ideas correct; elections aren’t even about ideas – see #2.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
forlife wrote:
If he was just more of the same people would stay home instead of voting in record numbers.

  1. the count isn’t in yet so don’t be smug about this being a record turn out for Obama. The record turn out in 2004 favored Bush.

  2. the majority of people are not intelligent enough to know the difference between rhetoric and actual meaningful argument; it comes down to which candidate can dupe the most people to vote for him.

  3. winning by a simple majority does not make one’s ideas correct; elections aren’t even about ideas – see #2.[/quote]

x2.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

  1. the count isn’t in yet so don’t be smug about this being a record turn out for Obama. The record turn out in 2004 favored Bush.

  2. the majority of people are not intelligent enough to know the difference between rhetoric and actual meaningful argument; it comes down to which candidate can dupe the most people to vote for him.

  3. winning by a simple majority does not make one’s ideas correct; elections aren’t even about ideas – see #2.[/quote]

None of which has anything to do with my point, which was that the large majority of people believe that this election represents a revolutionary change rather than just being more of the same as you claim.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
Too bad our teachers and educational systems have been drilling the opposite into the heads of our children for the past 30 years.

Thank you department of education. I am a victim of that system so there is still hope.[/quote]

It’s scary some of the shit that the teachers are teaching us in school. My extended family is quite educated though, and so I have been able to see opposing ideal’s and come to my own conclusions.

Conclusion One:

  1. The schools textbooks know shit.
  2. The schools teachers know even less.

[quote]forlife wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

  1. the count isn’t in yet so don’t be smug about this being a record turn out for Obama. The record turn out in 2004 favored Bush.

  2. the majority of people are not intelligent enough to know the difference between rhetoric and actual meaningful argument; it comes down to which candidate can dupe the most people to vote for him.

  3. winning by a simple majority does not make one’s ideas correct; elections aren’t even about ideas – see #2.

None of which has anything to do with my point, which was that the large majority of people believe that this election represents a revolutionary change rather than just being more of the same as you claim.[/quote]

To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best day and night to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight and never stop fighting.?e e cummings

[quote]RebornTN wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
Too bad our teachers and educational systems have been drilling the opposite into the heads of our children for the past 30 years.

Thank you department of education. I am a victim of that system so there is still hope.

It’s scary some of the shit that the teachers are teaching us in school. My extended family is quite educated though, and so I have been able to see opposing ideal’s and come to my own conclusions.

Conclusion One:

  1. The schools textbooks know shit.
  2. The schools teachers know even less.[/quote]

Good for you Reborn - it feels a bit like tilting against windmills sometimes, I know, but you really do have to take a stand; and it won’t come without some cost.

You might want to check out ISI ( http://isi.org/ ) if you haven’t already. They can be very helpful in many ways. PM me if you want details. There are some very good people there.

Cheers,

~katz

[quote]RebornTN wrote:
To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best day and night to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight and never stop fighting.?e e cummings[/quote]

I am not an avid fan of poetry but e e cummings is my favorite poet and this is a pretty profound statement to me.

[quote]forlife wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

  1. the count isn’t in yet so don’t be smug about this being a record turn out for Obama. The record turn out in 2004 favored Bush.

  2. the majority of people are not intelligent enough to know the difference between rhetoric and actual meaningful argument; it comes down to which candidate can dupe the most people to vote for him.

  3. winning by a simple majority does not make one’s ideas correct; elections aren’t even about ideas – see #2.

None of which has anything to do with my point, which was that the large majority of people believe that this election represents a revolutionary change rather than just being more of the same as you claim.[/quote]

In a certain sense, you’re right: Obama represents change. We’ve never had a serious candidate for POTUS who:

  1. has so few accomplishments behind him;

  2. exudes a naive confidence only shown by those who haven’t really been tested by experience in the real world;

  3. has nevertheless written two autobiographies about himself already;

  4. is the most far left serious candidate for the highest office in the land;

  5. we know very, very little about thanks to his lying and the media’s protection;

  6. spews collectivist rhetoric;

  7. inspires masses of people to “believe in him” (not “think” about what he actually represents) and show up en mass at rallies hitherto confined to socialist nations;

  8. would not even be able to get basic security clearance for a low-level FBI job;

…and a few thousand other instances of “change” that I don’t have time for…maybe I’ll get to them later.

[quote]forlife wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

  1. the count isn’t in yet so don’t be smug about this being a record turn out for Obama. The record turn out in 2004 favored Bush.

  2. the majority of people are not intelligent enough to know the difference between rhetoric and actual meaningful argument; it comes down to which candidate can dupe the most people to vote for him.

  3. winning by a simple majority does not make one’s ideas correct; elections aren’t even about ideas – see #2.

None of which has anything to do with my point, which was that the large majority of people believe that this election represents a revolutionary change rather than just being more of the same as you claim.[/quote]

This is the stupidest argument you could ever make and I hope you never utter it again. Other people are doing it so it must be right? HAHAHAHAHA! That is exactly the kind of thinking that Allowed a normal German Man, to throw a starving Jewish Body into a gas chamber. Think for your fucking self this shit makes me sick. People debate you on issues, and you say, oh well why does everyone else think it’s ok? Like masses of people have never been led astray by a charismatic leader before. You are a dipshit.

V

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
In a certain sense, you’re right: Obama represents change. [/quote]

Yep. I didn’t say you had to agree with the change, only that it is a significant step away from the Bush administration. I happen to think it is a step for the better, but that’s not the point being discussed here.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Like masses of people have never been led astray by a charismatic leader before.[/quote]

Unless you have a crystal ball, I’m pretty sure you have shit for proving that Obama’s presidency will be a carbon copy of Bush’s presidency.

In the meantime, I agree with the majority that Obama represents real change. Whether or not that change proves in the best interest of the country, time will tell.

[quote]forlife wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Like masses of people have never been led astray by a charismatic leader before.

Unless you have a crystal ball, I’m pretty sure you have shit for proving that Obama’s presidency will be a carbon copy of Bush’s presidency.

In the meantime, I agree with the majority that Obama represents real change. Whether or not that change proves in the best interest of the country, time will tell.[/quote]

Which is Bush? The dumbest bumbling motherfucker of all time, or is he a charismatic genius?

You left-wingers love to play on both sides.