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IIFYMicros?

Let’s be honest, it’s pretty easy to hit your macronutrient goals by almost solely eating junk. It would perhaps be a bit harder to hit your protein requirements, but it’s easy to just eat a bit of meat or consume a brotein shake.

Shouldn’t If It Fits Your Macros really stand for If It Fits Your Micros? As mentioned, it’s easy to fill your macronutrient needs, but shouldn’t someone only consume junk if they’ve consumed adequate and sufficient micros through vegetables, for example?

I propose changing If It Fits Your Macros to If It Fits Your Micros.

fuckin stupid thread

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
fuckin stupid thread[/quote]
Calm down… I just don’t understand why it’s called IIFYMacros, and I wanted to see if my logic is completely fallacious lol.

I’m calm. This thread is stupid.

[quote]labean wrote:

I propose changing If It Fits Your Macros to If It Fits Your Micros.[/quote]

No, rename it “if it fits your macros AND micros” or “if it fits your m&ms”

This is an untenable concept simply for the fact that none can know an exact measurement for what they should eat on a daily basis.

Nutrient needs change constantly.

[quote]redgladiator wrote:
…or “if it fits your m&ms”[/quote]

The green are my favs.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]redgladiator wrote:
…or “if it fits your m&ms”[/quote]

The green are my favs.[/quote]
peanut greens FTW

[quote]redgladiator wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]redgladiator wrote:
…or “if it fits your m&ms”[/quote]

The green are my favs.[/quote]
peanut greens FTW[/quote]

They are a complete food source!

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
This is an untenable concept simply for the fact that none can know an exact measurement for what they should eat on a daily basis.

Nutrient needs change constantly.[/quote]
That’s true, although IIFYMacros implies that you can just eat whatever if you fit it into your macros, which I don’t believe is true. I do endorse IIFYM, but it’s a good idea to consume fish oil, cruciferous vegetables, etc.

[quote]redgladiator wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]redgladiator wrote:
…or “if it fits your m&ms”[/quote]

The green are my favs.[/quote]
peanut greens FTW[/quote]

I like my m&ms how I like my women: without nuts.

On topic: to play some devils advocate, what if you hit your core macros using mostly junk food, and then supplements with protein/EFAs/vitamins/minerals to make up for the loss of micros? I’m not saying I endorse this approach, but can anyone shed some light on what that might do?

My gut is telling me is only that it will keep you from better gains than if you hit the same macros with clean food choices. My gut is also very hungry…

[quote]imnickjames wrote:
what if you hit your core macros using mostly junk food, and then supplements with protein/EFAs/vitamins/minerals to make up for the loss of micros? I’m not saying I endorse this approach, but can anyone shed some light on what that might do?[/quote] Gluten-rich foods and vitamin/mineral supps ?
I’m not sure how much of the minerals would be absorbed…

[quote]tolismann wrote:

[quote]imnickjames wrote:
what if you hit your core macros using mostly junk food, and then supplements with protein/EFAs/vitamins/minerals to make up for the loss of micros? I’m not saying I endorse this approach, but can anyone shed some light on what that might do?[/quote] Gluten-rich foods and vitamin/mineral supps ?
I’m not sure how much of the minerals would be absorbed…
[/quote]

Yep, its been demonstrated already that grain proteins and anti-nutrients cause certain micro-nutrient deficiencies.

Also, here is a pubmed link that KINDA makes this not a bad thread afterall

Any links to journal papers showing that dietary grains induce micronutrient deficiencies?

These basically talk about whole grains and the anti-nutrients (phytates) causing absorption issues.

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/smallgut/absorb_minerals.html


But I don’t think any study will show (or want to show) a direct correlation between grains and mineral deficiencies, but we are talking about some hypothetical diet to begin with…one with almost 100% processed wheat (junk foods).

Also lectins (another anti-nutrient) are technically not neutralized in commercial breads and extruded cereals. But fair enough this would not take beans, peanuts and some other types of unsoaked grains off the hook either.

Lastly, if you believe a shred of what “Paleo” is about, you’ll believe that at least half the population are to some degree gluten sensitive… gluten of course leading to all sorts of malabsorption gut issues. But that is rooted in dogma I suppose.

I’m really starting to get a kick out of these “I wonder” threads.