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IGF-1 For and Against, Where Do You Stand?

I searched through the various threads we have on the use of it, and noted the results were pretty good in some cases, and not so exciting with others, and am wondering why no one has been using it of late, or at least not posting of their experiences with it.

As you all have seen, I’ve been trying to figure out an assistance AAS protocol for when I begin whatever rehab is necessary for the injured delt problem I have.
Initially I was going to keep it with just the AAS for financial, GH out, but have been giving at least IGF-1 more thought of late too.

So, my belief is that it is best taken during a cycle of AAS, and my reasoning could be completely flawed, as I don’t know much about it save some research on the net etc.

Seems like most know, it is a longer term process of reaping the benefits of hyperplasia etc from it. I would think why not create some extra hypertrophy during the hyperplasia with a concurrent cycle of AAS, right?

I don’t know how long the hyperplasia takes to take place though. But I think it would be good to do as I’m thinking.
So how would you guys approach the use of it in my case?

I am not necessarily worried about using it in every muscle group bilaterally at the moment, if I can use it just in the shoulders, or more subq, for a systemic release.
It’s all in the interest of collagen synth of course.
So I don’t know if that makes sense or not. Seems there might be a better more efficient protocol or method of delivery for the collagen benefits and hyperplasia localised in the delts only. Or maybe my heads up my ass again.

Could some of my more experienced and respected friends, (Bushy, 2the, lil etc, please chime in and help me figure something out, so I can start trying to catch up with you mofos again in the quest for size and strength, lol?

I know most of my threads of late have been sub-par, as far as quality and interest, but I think this topic is overdue for another chat session.

Please feel free to discuss your take on it’s benefits etc in a general sense, if you can address my use of it for the shoulder as well please.

Thanks guys,

ToneBone

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I certainly dont think sub par mate, your shoulder rehab thread was informative and gave me some info which i will be able to relate to a collection of injuries i currently have including but not limited to

torn piriformus
bursitus
detatchment of the humerous (pectoral)
sore d**k - this was self infl…nevermind that one, anyway…

So again, this thread will be helpful to me once the answers and experiences start flooding in. If only GH wasnt so damn expensive we could all be saved.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I think less folks have been running (and hence reporting) on IGF1 because of the scarcity of sources, currently.

Having said that, I don’t rate IGF1 myself, from personal experience. GH yes, IGF1 no.

Theoretically, IGF1 should be able to give you all that GH can, but I have yet to see it.

If IGF1 does do what GH does then I guess that for fibroblast stimulation, AAS won’t be needed concurrently and for muscle fiber hyperplasia, AAS will be needed.

Bushy[/quote]

Hey B,

Thanks, I’m surprised you’ve never tried it?
Wow, I thought everything under the sun had made it’s way into your system by now, lol.

How about this, your last paragraph was superb, but what about the shooting style? Would there be any better way for fibro stim vs. hyperplasia? Subq for the former, and obviously IM for the latter, agreed? Or IM for both?

Thanks for your help mate.

TBN

[quote]testanabol wrote:
I certainly dont think sub par mate, your shoulder rehab thread was informative and gave me some info which i will be able to relate to a collection of injuries i currently have including but not limited to

torn piriformus
bursitus
detatchment of the humerous (pectoral)
sore d**k - this was self infl…nevermind that one, anyway…

So again, this thread will be helpful to me once the answers and experiences start flooding in. If only GH wasnt so damn expensive we could all be saved.[/quote]

LMFAO!

Thanks Test.
Too right about the GH price. I hope to figure out the ultimate rehab assistance/muscle growth combo, sort of like Bushy’s “Ultimate Oral AAS” type thing with it.

Or at least the poor mans combo w/out the GH.

I’ve seen the IGF-1 here and there. From the place I ordered my M1 and adex/caber from, it’s 150.00 for 1000mcg.

Not too shabby me thinks.

It rather shocked me that Bushy has no personal experience with this peptide as well.

I also have never sampled this or mgf for that matter. Ive contemplated incorporating some into a cycle, however from peoples personal experiences the only real benefit ive read about recently is people incorporating it into their pct. Ive found the test taper to be a rather effective form of pct for my or a slight variation I plan to try next time.

Sorry I couldnt be of anymore assistance.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
LMAO, guys which part of “Having said that, I don’t rate IGF1 myself, from personal experience. GH yes, IGF1 no.”

Doesn’t suggest that I have used IGF1 before?

Bushy[/quote]

i was thinking that…

[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
It rather shocked me that Bushy has no personal experience with this peptide as well.

I also have never sampled this or mgf for that matter. Ive contemplated incorporating some into a cycle, however from peoples personal experiences the only real benefit ive read about recently is people incorporating it into their pct. Ive found the test taper to be a rather effective form of pct for my or a slight variation I plan to try next time.

Sorry I couldnt be of anymore assistance.[/quote]

That’s ok, thanks anyway LG.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
LMAO, guys which part of “Having said that, I don’t rate IGF1 myself, from personal experience. GH yes, IGF1 no.”

Doesn’t suggest that I have used IGF1 before?

Bushy[/quote]

I’m not into riddles mate.

Sorry I couldn’t figure that one out.

If you can’t drop any more info on it, then thanks for your contribution Bushy.
I had asked you some other questions on it, did you just skip over those to get to this witty retort or what mang?

Jeezphukingwhiz,

ToneBone

I’ve experimented with IGF-1, pegMGF and GHRP-6, using IGF & pegMGF off cycle and as part of PCT, and GHRP-6 on cycle.

I did experience some results with IGF-1, but nothing to warrant the prices it’s going for now. Of course, I haven’t used it on cycle, so take that only for what it’s worth.

Using the GHRP-6 on cycle definitely provided more substantial results, and if I were to use peptides in the future I would only do so in conjunction with AAS.

As far as rehab goes, I know some have reported success with GHRP-6, and it’s certainly more reasonably priced than IGF-1.

Just something to consider.

Art

[quote]arthursaxon wrote:
I’ve experimented with IGF-1, pegMGF and GHRP-6, using IGF & pegMGF off cycle and as part of PCT, and GHRP-6 on cycle.

I did experience some results with IGF-1, but nothing to warrant the prices it’s going for now. Of course, I haven’t used it on cycle, so take that only for what it’s worth.

Using the GHRP-6 on cycle definitely provided more substantial results, and if I were to use peptides in the future I would only do so in conjunction with AAS.

As far as rehab goes, I know some have reported success with GHRP-6, and it’s certainly more reasonably priced than IGF-1.

Just something to consider.

Art[/quote]

Thanks Artie,

I was looking forward to hearing from you on this. I remember your use of the aforementioned during some of your logged cycles.

So GHRP did pretty good eh?
I’ll keep that in mind then, and continue to look around for info on both.

ToneBone

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i have used it only pnce (sadly as bushy wrote it is quite hard to find now…)

I think it is great as PCT support drug. As i have wrote many times it helps me taking home 100% cycle gain.

But, now, about 8 months after the cycle i can say it is better than that. My target is dropiing fat so my nutrition plan is at low caloiries. But i can see small improvment in my stronger area. I “think” something linked to the hyperplasia created by igf and “grow up” cells.

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
LMAO, guys which part of “Having said that, I don’t rate IGF1 myself, from personal experience. GH yes, IGF1 no.”

Doesn’t suggest that I have used IGF1 before?

Bushy

I’m not into riddles mate.

Sorry I couldn’t figure that one out.

If you can’t drop any more info on it, then thanks for your contribution Bushy.
I had asked you some other questions on it, did you just skip over those to get to this witty retort or what mang?

Jeezphukingwhiz,

ToneBone
[/quote]

Bushy said he did not rate IGF-1 = Doesn’t care much for it.

Where’s the fucking riddle?

My first run with IGF was great, I loved it. My second cycle came about 4 months after and was barely even noticable. My IGF came from the same source so I am sure they were both legit. I will probably take a full year off this time and then use it again for another 3 week cycle.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
LMAO, guys which part of “Having said that, I don’t rate IGF1 myself, from personal experience. GH yes, IGF1 no.”

Doesn’t suggest that I have used IGF1 before?

Bushy

I’m not into riddles mate.

Sorry I couldn’t figure that one out.

If you can’t drop any more info on it, then thanks for your contribution Bushy.
I had asked you some other questions on it, did you just skip over those to get to this witty retort or what mang?

Jeezphukingwhiz,

ToneBone

Eh?

Fine, since you can’t seem to interpret simple text, I’ll shut up.

Bushy[/quote]

Cmon bush, I’m sorry if the way I worded that was inappropriate. I wasn’t trying to offend you at all. I was half serious/half joking with you.

It wasn’t clear to me, or lilguy for that matter.

Sorry to piss you off man.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
LMAO, guys which part of “Having said that, I don’t rate IGF1 myself, from personal experience. GH yes, IGF1 no.”

Doesn’t suggest that I have used IGF1 before?

Bushy

I’m not into riddles mate.

Sorry I couldn’t figure that one out.

If you can’t drop any more info on it, then thanks for your contribution Bushy.
I had asked you some other questions on it, did you just skip over those to get to this witty retort or what mang?

Jeezphukingwhiz,

ToneBone

Bushy said he did not rate IGF-1 = Doesn’t care much for it.

Where’s the fucking riddle?

[/quote]

Thanks.

[quote]cadav wrote:
i have used it only pnce (sadly as bushy wrote it is quite hard to find now…)

I think it is great as PCT support drug. As i have wrote many times it helps me taking home 100% cycle gain.

But, now, about 8 months after the cycle i can say it is better than that. My target is dropiing fat so my nutrition plan is at low caloiries. But i can see small improvment in my stronger area. I “think” something linked to the hyperplasia created by igf and “grow up” cells.[/quote]

Interesting Cadav, so 8 months later and in your opinion, you made tangible size gains from the IGF addition, that you wouldn’t have without it? Nice.

Thanks for chipping in buddy.

[quote]2thepain wrote:
My first run with IGF was great, I loved it. My second cycle came about 4 months after and was barely even noticable. My IGF came from the same source so I am sure they were both legit. I will probably take a full year off this time and then use it again for another 3 week cycle.[/quote]

I did read your thread again, and you definitely seemed to really like it the first time. Any reason you think it went like that with the two difft times?

Both times you did it on cycle if I remember correctly,
were there any significant changes in the other items you were using in both scenarios?

Thanks 2the.