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If There Was a Zombie-Apocalypse...


I ran into a guy last night who thinks the US will be taken over in 10 years and there will be a full scale war resulting in food shortages, money being worthless, and anarchy for a while. He's seriously stock-piling large amounts of guns, food, and silver in preparation for this. While I'm pretty sure it would never go down to the extreme he's planning for, he brought up one good point- there are only two days worth of food on the grocery store shelves at any point in time. If there was a country-wide disaster of any sort, we would starve.

Naturally, this brought me to the zombie apocalypse.

Who would last the longest?

I'm pretty sure the power-lifters would outlast the bodybuilders (their low bodyfat percentage would prove problematic in the face of a food shortage).


How the hell do you just "run into a guy" and have this kind of conversation? Just wondering.


Team Shane!


Are animals infected/contaminated?


Man with most guns last longest.......Man who stand on toilet high on pot.


I don't believe there is any possible way to have a nationwide disaster on that scale. As far as two days of food on the shelf is considered, i think that's a little silly. I could feed my family for a month just off what i could scavenge from a gas station convenience store. How much food is there is directly related to how quickly you get there. Nothing could happen that would render the grocery stores totally open for looting without consequences. Even if something happened on the scale of Katrina, you'd still get prosecuted for theft if you went in packing heat to get food.


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No. Only humans. But that could change with enough time...


Morbidly obese shut-ins? Highest bodyfat, being shut-in shuts zombies out, usually lots of food/fluids on hand.


I have no doubt you're right. That's why we're talking about zombies and not China. But what about after the convenience store and the grocery store had been decimated? What if the people who lived closer to the convenience store got there first? Is your team well armed?


Hm. Valid point.


He's a successful entrepreneur who's friends with one of my friends. This mutual friend raved about what a nice, successful business guy this dooms-day guy was and how I should pick his brain. So I did.

He's (dooms-day guy) a pretty logical person who has done really well for himself and is well aware that he's paranoid. I think being in the army and having his arm blown apart might have contributed slightly to his current paranoia. But overall, his mindset has made him incredibly resourceful and willing to do what most people don't- which is completely follow their convictions. He went from being on disability social security to making more than most of the population in one year.


Is he logical or is he paranoid?


He's logical about business development and paranoid about saving. As the business development consumes a much greater portion of his life than his "stocks", I'd say he's mostly logical.


Well in that case I think anybody in small towns with a decent rifle and a handgun would be doing alright...tsk tsk to everybody jumped on that animal lover thread band wagon your all screwed now


There's nothing logical at all about any of this, and I'm not even getting into the whole zombie thing. I mean, do you realize how utterly impossible it would be for virtually any country or force to take over the United States?

There's really only one country, perhaps two, that could even dream about taking this country over from a military standpoint. China, and maybe Britain if they had most of Western Europe with them and they got the drop on us with some Kim Philby-type of espionage that blinds us to a surprise attack.

But that'll never happen. China could never go to war with us in the next ten years. They JUST got their first aircraft carrier up and running and quite frankly, they'd had have MUCH more to lose than to gain if they attacked us. Our economy would necessarily fall apart within days if China launched an all-out assault that actually managed to succeed. That means that theirs would be right behind ours, along with most of the civilized world. The reality is that the only countries with any interest in wiping us off the face of the Earth will never have the capability of doing so and are so destitute that they would only minimally be harmed by the utterly complete collapse of the entire world's economic system.

Now, can Iran potentially get a nuke within 10 years? Of course, but how are they going to deliver it here? They aren't, and they don't have the sort of standing army, or the means of moving them across a continent and an ocean, in order to back up this theoretical nuclear strike. If Ahmadinejad is really as wacky as the chickenhawks in Washington think he is, he'd just deliver it to Israel, kill about 200,000 people and then Israel would use their nukes to turn Tehran into glass.

Same thing with North Korea. They can't get an ICBM across the Sea of Japan so how are they going to deliver a huge payload across the entire Pacific? And even though they are the only country where there is even a remote possibility that their leaders would entertain a full-out attack of the U.S. in their darker moments, they are also the only one with a large enough standing army to be of any threat to the U.S. Except that their army is significantly malnourished and lacks an effective way of transporting that many troops across the Atlantic in a manner that we couldn't stop with, say, one or two F-22 Raptors. And even if they COULD do all of this, they wouldn't do it us, they'd do it to South Korea then China would step in and probably intercede on behalf of South Korea.

Regarding famine: there are breakthroughs being made in the wide world of genetically-engineered food everyday. On top of that, one positive to accelerated climate change is that there are all sorts of new areas opening up to agriculture that was never available before. A famine in one area may simply mean a large boost in production in another area.

From a purely social standpoint, within the U.S., I don't see it happening. I think this is the most likely scenario, but it isn't likely at all. Who's going to lead this societal revolution? Hardcore liberals? They failed miserably in the sixties already. Hardcore conservatives? They won't take over, they'll just check out and turn into survivalists. Anarchists? I don't think so. They're too in the minority and they'd have the full weight of the federal, state and local govts weighing down on top of them the second they got too far out of line. And the rest of society just simply Does Not Give a Fuck.

So I don't think there is a single shred of logic in your doomsayer friend's thinking. None whatsoever. It sounds to me like he hasn't directed one logical, cogent thought toward this scenario at all.


I covered this. He's paranoid about doomsday (obviously no logical thinking going on there). However, his scenario brings up a fun mental game-the zombie apocalypse. How would you survive?


I was thinking this. The hunter/farmers would be the best off. They generally have food stores and they have the ability to get more in a way which most wouldn't be competing for.

I think I'd join a team with them.




One correction and one point correct:

Point the first: It's not a matter of if there was a zombie apocalypse, but when

Point the second: Powerlifters would outlast bodybuilders, but it's more due to their superior levels of awesome, and not so much anything to do with bodyfat