maybe you should re-read what i responded to and then what i wrote. i responded to someone saying that they had to switch gyms because there werent enough people around that had a passion for the weights. he then suggested to the original poster that he try and find a "hardcore gym". my point was that if he was as "hardcore" as he thinks his new gym is, the people around them, in their spandex galore should not have been able to tap into his "passion for the weights".
i think you need to realize who's on "your side" here. you talk about being sick of the kids getting on to show off their rib cages, about how months ago these forums were full of pictures of big swole lifters. ill tell you what, im all for that. but heres just a few things im tired of on here:
people being on T-Nation for 6 days talking smack to people that have been on here over a year, 17 year olds posting about steroids, people complaining about what other people do at the gym they train at, manorexic wannabe's and their pictures, diets that consist of little more than a red bull and a skittle, and excuses, like "bad genetics".
my point was not that lifting in a "hardcore" gym wouldnt be great. my point was that if you arent focussed enough to get into a gym and train hard regardless of others levels of "passion for the weights" are around you, then its pretty ridiculous to suggest finding a "hardcore gym" where the people are more focussed on their training. anyway, shut the fuck up