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I Hate Welfare!

I work hard for my money, I’m in the Army and I’m in a combat MOS. I’ll be going to Iraq for a 3rd time here in a few months. My wife is going to college she doesn’t get any of my education benifits because she isnt in the Army. The cost of putting her through school is tough but I welcome it because in the end it will benefit our family.

Now, what really pisses me off is that the government takes money out of my check to support these 2 losers and their kids. http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa070531_lj_twins.17091f2.html

That’s disgusting. People who can’t even support themselves should not have children.

The sad thing is, these kids will probably be reproducing w/i 17 years and another cycle begins.

Meanwhile, working class people usually limit themselves to under 3 children due to being fiscally responsible.

Thank you for your service and I wish you and your family the best.

Stay safe.

I love welfare. In fact, I am always angry that I have any money left over after taxes… surely the government isn’t taking enough of my money. I live only to pay taxes.

[quote]vroom wrote:
I love welfare. In fact, I am always angry that I have any money left over after taxes… surely the government isn’t taking enough of my money. I live only to pay taxes.[/quote]

You commie bastard…

Wait, you were being sarcastic weren’t you?

[quote]jawara wrote:
I work hard for my money, I’m in the Army and I’m in a combat MOS. I’ll be going to Iraq for a 3rd time here in a few months. My wife is going to college she doesn’t get any of my education benifits because she isnt in the Army. The cost of putting her through school is tough but I welcome it because in the end it will benefit our family.

Now, what really pisses me off is that the government takes money out of my check to support these 2 losers and their kids. http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa070531_lj_twins.17091f2.html [/quote]

Agreed. I don’t think we should abolish welfare, but if you’re on it, then 1)you have to be on birth control, 2)since I the taxpayer are responsible for your health care, the gov’t dictates that you can’t do dozens of unhealthy things (not wear a seat belt, eat at macdonalds, ect)

This way a person can go off of welfare at any time if they feel they are being treated unfairly and by not having kids they will eventually weed themselves out of society.

mike

MUCH more money goes towards paying for our military, and the many misspending this administration has made by trusting private companies for everything.

For every family that abuses welfare, there are families who actually need it. A system that is taken advantage of by a minority of users is better than no system at all.

[quote]vroom wrote:
I love welfare. In fact, I am always angry that I have any money left over after taxes… surely the government isn’t taking enough of my money. I live only to pay taxes.[/quote]

Hey, Astrid Lindgren had to pay more than 100% in taxes.

You might want to move to Sweden.

“Pomperipossa in the World of Money” is the tale she wrote about taxes after that, which led to the loss of the lection by the socialist government, partly because the minister of finances was stupid enough to point out live on TV that she would only have to pay 86% in taxes because she was allready officialy retired.

[quote]orion wrote:
“Pomperipossa in the World of Money” is the tale she wrote about taxes after that, which led to the loss of the lection by the socialist government, partly because the minister of finances was stupid enough to point out live on TV that she would only have to pay 86% in taxes because she was allready officialy retired. [/quote]

“I am writing in order to amuse the child within myself and I hope that by doing so other children will have some fun too.”
– Astrid

http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp#USMilitarySpending

Actually military spending is a little less. And I agree companyies like KBR are ripping off the taxpayers BIGTIME.However the actual service members EARN what we make. I just don’t understand why these to retards are allowed to procreate on my dime when I can barely afford to put my wife through school. What entitles these people to a share of my/our money. Why doesnt she use some of the free birth control that we pay for???

[quote]jawara wrote:
I work hard for my money, I’m in the Army and I’m in a combat MOS. I’ll be going to Iraq for a 3rd time here in a few months. My wife is going to college she doesn’t get any of my education benifits because she isnt in the Army. The cost of putting her through school is tough but I welcome it because in the end it will benefit our family.

Now, what really pisses me off is that the government takes money out of my check to support these 2 losers and their kids. http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa070531_lj_twins.17091f2.html [/quote]

Don’t you want to be your Brother’s Keeper? According to the morality of unselfishness, we all exist to serve one another. What are the productive here for, if not to serve the lazy and incompetent? You have work hard to support the crackheads, whores, gang bangers, and the women who have 5 kids each with a different daddy.

[quote]lixy wrote:
orion wrote:
“Pomperipossa in the World of Money” is the tale she wrote about taxes after that, which led to the loss of the lection by the socialist government, partly because the minister of finances was stupid enough to point out live on TV that she would only have to pay 86% in taxes because she was allready officialy retired.

“I am writing in order to amuse the child within myself and I hope that by doing so other children will have some fun too.”
– Astrid[/quote]

Read the fairy tale.

The Swedish version should be easy to find.

Enjoy the last paragraph.

[quote]jawara wrote:
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp#USMilitarySpending

Actually military spending is a little less. And I agree companyies like KBR are ripping off the taxpayers BIGTIME.However the actual service members EARN what we make. I just don’t understand why these to retards are allowed to procreate on my dime when I can barely afford to put my wife through school. What entitles these people to a share of my/our money. Why doesnt she use some of the free birth control that we pay for???[/quote]

Because the average voter allways has a smaller income than the average tax-payer (because a lot of voters do not work), so
gettng the government to “redistribute” sounds good?

This probably means, because they can rob you and get away with it.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Don’t you want to be your Brother’s Keeper? According to the morality of unselfishness, we all exist to serve one another. What are the productive here for, if not to serve the lazy and incompetent? You have work hard to support the crackheads, whores, gang bangers, and the women who have 5 kids each with a different daddy.
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I might not want to help some of those people, but I do want to help the hardworking father of a family when he is run over by an uninsured drunk driver.

Maybe, giving him some medical care and then some physical rehabilitation and keeping his family fed until he is able to return to work would end up as a good investment.

We can all hold up examples of people that do not seem to deserve our efforts, but that doesn’t mean that there are no positives to be found.

The key item, perhaps, is can the system be created such that it does a good job of minimizing abuses and really does end up generating a positive return by finding ways to get real working citizens and taxpayers back into the economy in a productive way?

Yes? No? Maybe?

What about using my money to help some underprivileged people get a decent education? This would probably end up helping break a cycle of poverty and create someone who is very probably going to end up paying a hell of a lot more tax over their productive working years than their share of defaults would cost me.

Is that a suitable investment? Yes? No? Maybe?

These things aren’t always as simple as people would like to have us believe.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Don’t you want to be your Brother’s Keeper? According to the morality of unselfishness, we all exist to serve one another. What are the productive here for, if not to serve the lazy and incompetent? You have work hard to support the crackheads, whores, gang bangers, and the women who have 5 kids each with a different daddy.

I might not want to help some of those people, but I do want to help the hardworking father of a family when he is run over by an uninsured drunk driver.

Maybe, giving him some medical care and then some physical rehabilitation and keeping his family fed until he is able to return to work would end up as a good investment.

We can all hold up examples of people that do not seem to deserve our efforts, but that doesn’t mean that there are no positives to be found.

The key item, perhaps, is can the system be created such that it does a good job of minimizing abuses and really does end up generating a positive return by finding ways to get real working citizens and taxpayers back into the economy in a productive way?

Yes? No? Maybe?

What about using my money to help some underprivileged people get a decent education? This would probably end up helping break a cycle of poverty and create someone who is very probably going to end up paying a hell of a lot more tax over their productive working years than their share of defaults would cost me.

Is that a suitable investment? Yes? No? Maybe?

These things aren’t always as simple as people would like to have us believe.[/quote]

Or it is as simple as people would like to have you believe. If YOU want to help some guy out, then YOU can open your wallet. Don’t open mine for me. If you were to come to my house to steal my money I would grab my shotty and shoot you, yet it is okay for you to take my money with a ballot. If you want to give my money away, come steal it from me like a man, instead of having some beaurocrat take it away at the point of a gun. If we weren’t overtaxed with trash like this, then there would be more money in your pocket to give away as you see fit anyways.

mike

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Or it is as simple as people would like to have you believe. If YOU want to help some guy out, then YOU can open your wallet. Don’t open mine for me. If you were to come to my house to steal my money I would grab my shotty and shoot you, yet it is okay for you to take my money with a ballot. If you want to give my money away, come steal it from me like a man, instead of having some beaurocrat take it away at the point of a gun. If we weren’t overtaxed with trash like this, then there would be more money in your pocket to give away as you see fit anyways.
[/quote]

Oh boo hoo.

Spare me the diatribe man, we all happen to live in a society. Things are not magically going to progress to anarchy, and I doubt many people would be happy if it did.

I don’t like paying tax either, but I sure as shit want the taxes that get taken from me to be put to good use where possible.

There are also issues concerning economy and tax base that reflect the strength of a nation… and have a value other than simply putting a few bucks in somebodies pocket.

Try getting a realistic perspective, because as much as you and I might want it, taxes are not going to go away tomorrow.

Sorry to break the news to you.

How about have boxes on the tax forms so we can mark off how we want our money dispursed? Those who want to help welfare recipients can mark the appropriate box.

I agree with Mike; why does the government have to use force, instead of simply asking? If enough people want something, they’ll fund it. If something should have been funded and isn’t (like police, fire, whatever), then they will soon learn the error of their ways. Taxes should be replaced with some sort of voluntary system. Then, if the gov’t screws up, cut their pay! Why should they get to dictate their checks? We sure don’t!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
How about have boxes on the tax forms so we can mark off how we want our money dispursed? Those who want to help welfare recipients can mark the appropriate box.

I agree with Mike; why does the government have to use force, instead of simply asking? If enough people want something, they’ll fund it. If something should have been funded and isn’t (like police, fire, whatever), then they will soon learn the error of their ways. Taxes should be replaced with some sort of voluntary system. Then, if the gov’t screws up, cut their pay! Why should they get to dictate their checks? We sure don’t![/quote]

You do realize such a system would destroy military funding, right?

Some people will always lie, cheat, and steal to get by and even get ahead. Abusing a welfare system is no different.

Equality, fairness, and justice are mythic ideals and pure human fantasy.

Strive with righteous anger all you want to reach them because it will likely make you a better man but in the end we live in a cruel unforgiving reality and entropy is the master of us all.

All animals are opportunistic thieves and scavengers and this is an inescapable fact to which none of us are exempt.

We all want to believe that we have some quality that makes us superior and worthy of the life we have. We all want to believe that we somehow earned it.

But in the end the universe is precise. We live in a net sum zero gain reality and if you have gained it is always because another has lost. Symbiosis is a peculiar quality of life that seems to veil this truth but only at a very superficial level.

Perhaps this sounds overly philosophical but it is actually as basic as gravity.

Quite simply you are just as likely to remove all microbes, diseases, and parasites from your body as you are to remove humans that imitate their behavior from a society. In other words it is impossible without total annihilation of both.

Remove the welfare system as a host and the parasite will just find another.

Don’t mistake me I am not disagreeing that the system is imperfect and we should seek to perfect it. I even concede that hatred and anger may well be the right avenue to seek this end.

I really do believe that it is within the striving for the impossible that humans rise to whatever greatness we are capable of.

I am just pointing out that any animal should be wary of hubris. You too have been given a GIFT in the form of life and it is only at the great expense of the many that any one of us enjoys whatever we may claim to call our own.

Its quite clever that humans even invent such a thing as a welfare system to try and cheat ourselves out of the harshness of reality. It of course is no surprise that cheating will only get us so far.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
How about have boxes on the tax forms so we can mark off how we want our money dispursed? Those who want to help welfare recipients can mark the appropriate box.

I agree with Mike; why does the government have to use force, instead of simply asking? If enough people want something, they’ll fund it. If something should have been funded and isn’t (like police, fire, whatever), then they will soon learn the error of their ways. Taxes should be replaced with some sort of voluntary system. Then, if the gov’t screws up, cut their pay! Why should they get to dictate their checks? We sure don’t!

You do realize such a system would destroy military funding, right?
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If enough people in a society believe that they can live without a military to protect them, then let them learn if this is possible.

Most people with a little common sense would designate part of their paycheck or income for military, fire, police, judicial, and so on. If they don’t, they get exactly what they deserve.

Don’t you believe in cause-and-effect? I know I do.

[quote]Heliotrope wrote:

But in the end the universe is precise. We live in a net sum zero gain reality and if you have gained it is always because another has lost.
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So a man who invents a light bulb and gets rich does so at the expense of those who did NOT invent it?

You know, if you incorporate a philosophy into your consciousness, its a good idea to choose one that can’t be destroyed in one question, like I just did.

Whoever taught you your philosphy about zero-sum should be beaten with a stick. And you were dumb enough to believe him…pathetic…