[quote]Professor X wrote:
As have I Diamond, as have I. But you know what? I agree with the move to delete the thread.
Also, I am not in any way surprised or angry about the claims made in the marketing. Every. single. company. ever. makes. massive. claims. And not just in the supplement business. I can instantly name about 20-30 different commercials outside the fitness industry I’ve seen do the same thing. It’s marketing and it’s called that for a reason. I have no problem with any of the ad copy I’ve ever read from Biotest to date.
Also at the same time, and completely aside from the marketing in general,I have no reason to Thib’s personal experience either…regardless of what happens for the majority of people who will use the program. He’s given a rough breakdown of exactly what he estimates happened, and where each and every pound came from, and that makes sense to me.
The “average person” does not train with any high level of intensity…so holding the opinion that most or all people using some sort of program/supplement will all see optimal progress…as if their own drive in the gym isn’t the BIGGEST factor in any progress made…makes no sense.
Most of the people here who look like they don’t lift look this way because they train like the other people I see in the gym who don’t even break a sweat. The people with the drive to push beyond that are ALREADY GROWING to begin with and won’t be waiting on a program to somehow do all of the work for them.
I don’t expect that even a small minority here can train on a level that CT does. They just don’t have it in them to push that hard without someone telling them what to do…so why would anyone hold that most people should see the same progress when the primary factor that determines progress is their own drive to begin with?
Anyone waiting on this to “save them” and anyone not growing on their own right now is a lost cause to begin with. [/quote]
I agree 100%