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I Complain But I Don't Vote!

Actually I do vote myself. But many people gripe and complain about public policy, politicians, who is doing what et cetera. Statistically, very few Americans actually vote.

How many of you vote? And not just for the President and then a straight ticket.

Do you actually know your senators’ platform? Your representatives? Your local mayor or county commissioner?

How do you decide which candidate you vote for? Popular opinion? Your pappy was a democrat so you are too?

If you don’t vote or you just pick a party and vote straight ticket without researching what they stand for and ultimately what your vote/non vote enables, why do you feel justified in complaining when they enact laws and policies you don’t like?

Put up or shut up??

I vote, and no I don’t do a strait party ticket. I do aviod the democrats because I oppose most of thier views as a general rule. I lean more libritarian or independant if they hold my values.

I think it’s strange how people don’t seem interested in voting. I get to vote for the first time in the next election, and I’m stoked. I don’t understand how other people my age don’t seem to give a rat’s ass.

[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:
I think it’s strange how people don’t seem interested in voting. I get to vote for the first time in the next election, and I’m stoked. I don’t understand how other people my age don’t seem to give a rat’s ass.[/quote]

I don’t either. My first vote was pretty exciting. What we decide now will dictate our legal environment as middle aged and senior citizen aged adults. Letting legislation slip by the wayside can affect life for us in very literal terms.

It’s a shame most members of our generation are a bunch of douche fucks who think things exist “just because”.

Good luck in your vote, research the candidates and pick the one who represents you best, regardless of party, popularity or other opinions.

As your friends move in to the voting age, watch how many who never vote bitch and moan about politics. It’s really kind of funny.

RonPaul2008

Ballot Polls don’t change the Structure!

[quote]ssn0 wrote:
Ballot Polls don’t change the Structure![/quote]

The structure doesn’t need changing. It just needs to be tweaked back to it’s original format of protecting human rights and individual liberties. Ballot polls can still be effective if enough people look past party politics and vote for the countless politicians who really believe in america but slip by the wayside due to a lack of campaign money.

[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
Ballot Polls don’t change the Structure!

The structure doesn’t need changing. It just needs to be tweaked back to it’s original format of protecting human rights and individual liberties. Ballot polls can still be effective if enough people look past party politics and vote for the countless politicians who really believe in america but slip by the wayside due to a lack of campaign money. [/quote]

SSN is a troll. His statements tend to be riddled with such logical disjuncts and ridiculousness such as what you sniffed out in the above. Better to just ignore him.

[quote]Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
Ballot Polls don’t change the Structure!

The structure doesn’t need changing. It just needs to be tweaked back to it’s original format of protecting human rights and individual liberties. Ballot polls can still be effective if enough people look past party politics and vote for the countless politicians who really believe in america but slip by the wayside due to a lack of campaign money.

SSN is a troll. His statements tend to be riddled with such logical disjuncts and ridiculousness such as what you sniffed out in the above. Better to just ignore him.[/quote]
I see.

When I become legally able to, I most certainly will be voting. My first election will be the presidential final vote, in 2008.

I probably won’t be voting down either party lines, but I’ll probably end up registering as a Democrat.

[quote]It’s a shame most members of our generation are a bunch of douche fucks who think things exist “just because”.
[/quote]

Interesting vernacular for such an otherwise intellectually stimulating conversation. Douche Fucks. How does one, in essence, fuck a douche? Anyways … I’m 24 and am completely amazed and in awe at how completely oblivious the majority of people my age are to politics.

I mean for a subject so diverse as the political landscape actually is there has to be some area of interest for every single person in this country especially with so many information (reliable or not) outlets there are in todays world. All in all it’s hard to disagree with your general point and with so many douche fucks, it’s practically raining fuckin’ douches.

But seriously good post Tex. And don’t lose hope in our generation … despite the rampant douche fuckiness there are quite a few intelligent and concerned people our age out there.

[quote]polo77j wrote:
It’s a shame most members of our generation are a bunch of douche fucks who think things exist “just because”.

Interesting vernacular for such an otherwise intellectually stimulating conversation. Douche Fucks. How does one, in essence, fuck a douche? Anyways … I’m 24 and am completely amazed and in awe at how completely oblivious the majority of people my age are to politics.

I mean for a subject so diverse as the political landscape actually is there has to be some area of interest for every single person in this country especially with so many information (reliable or not) outlets there are in todays world. All in all it’s hard to disagree with your general point and with so many douche fucks, it’s practically raining fuckin’ douches.

But seriously good post Tex. And don’t lose hope in our generation … despite the rampant douche fuckiness there are quite a few intelligent and concerned people our age out there.[/quote]

Yes, we do have a smarty pants or two running around, but not enough in my opinion. I guess it has always been that way though.

And douche fuck doesn’t make much sense, but roll it around on your tongue a little bit. When you see some one acting like a douche fuck (funny how you instantly know what douche fuck is even if it isn’t a real phrase)think to yourself, “what a douche fuck”. It will be one of your favorite phrases before long.

I haven’t voted yet, nor am I registered to vote.

I’ve researched my congressman’s platform, I know my senator’s platform, locally I’m less sure about things. Of course I know the presidential candidates.

But I probably won’t vote for any of them because I don’t believe that my vote matters the way it should. If I vote for someone who looses, which is going to happen the VAST majority of the time for me, does the winner look at the loser, check how many votes he got and think, “Hmmm… maybe I can consider some of these policies since they seem to have a bit of a following,”? Doubt it.

If I do register, which is likely since I’m bored a lot, then I’ll use my ability to vote as a bargaining chip, but its still unlikely that I’ll find a candidate that I’d like to vote for. So far, the closest candidate I’ve seen that I’d vote for would be Ron Paul, but he’s not going to get the nomination and is therefore just another throw away vote, and since no one cares about what the loser’s policies were, my vote is largely ignored. So I’ll spend my time doing homework or otherwise enjoying my day off.

-Gendou

I don’t think most of the youth are very engaged in politics.

See: http://abs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/refs/50/9/1195

Note that it’s not just Americans – the article highlights apathy among both American and European youth.

Then again, that doesn’t really differentiate them from their elders. See here ( http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=2372 ) and here ( http://ijpor.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/12/2/113.pdf ) for articles on the ignorance of the American and Western European voters, respectively, and here ( http://www.crest.ox.ac.uk/papers/p87.pdf ) for one on the Brits.

Unfortunately, in each individual case, that ignorance is rational (see http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=916963 ), but systemically it’s very bad for a democratic society, which assumes an informed electorate. Mostly those who remain informed do so because they get other personal utility from being informed (and appearing to be informed). Definitely makes one think about how widely the franchise should in fact extend… (no irrational cutoffs based on class, race or gender, but maybe based on taxpaying and intelligence…).

Registered Republican, and I exercise my right to vote often.

That means I can complain however much I want to.

But I don’t complain. Because I am not a whiner. No one likes a whiner…

I vote and I vote straight ticket: Republican. The candidates are pretty much the same in my mind. Out for themselves. Basically less honest than you and me. Much less real world experience than the average American. Less moral. Probably on the take. Probably engaging in insider trading.

The only thing that I have left to vote for are the principals of the party. And since I believe in next to nothing that Democrats stand for, it’s GOP for me. Better to vote for corrupt candidiates without brain damage than for corrupt candidates WITH brain damage. And, as most of know, liberalism = brain damage.