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Hypothyroid Problems

I have a question to anyone who has had any hypothyroid problems. My wife is a personal trainer and massage therapist so she knows how to train and diet. The problem is after our 2nd child she was diagnosed with hypothyroidism. The side effects are slugishness, depression, weight gain, hair loss, foggy memory etc. She is taking Synthroid and has been taking it for 2 years but I don’t think it has helped. She still has the same hypothyroid side effects. She has just had her 3rd child and I would like to put her on a the natural Armour Thyroid, Westhroid and Naturethroid, which contain T4 and T3 naturally, or the synthetic T4/T3 drug Thyrolar. Has anybody had any experience with these kinds of drugs for hypothyroidism?

Armour thyroid is the best thyroid medication manufactured. It may take a few months to get the dosage regulated but it works like a charm. The dosage should be checked every year via drug test since age sometimes necessitates an increase in doseage.

Since she developed hypoT after pregnancy, I’m assuming it’s probably Hashimoto’s, which is generally a little more problematic (and, sadly, the most common form these days). However, there’s some literature that shows that women with better micronutrient levels (b-vitamins, zinc, mag, in particular… some others too, but I can’t recall which) have a lower incidence of thyroiditis post-partem. While it’s a big time leap in logic, it might be beneficial to supplement with these, even at this late stage.

Oh yeah, I’ll also put my vote of confidence behind glandulars as opposed to synthetics, but some with hypoT don’t tolerate the glandulars well, but unfortunately you can only find that out by trying them. Good luck to you both.

dystopiate and Avoid roids, thanks for the advise. She takes a pretty high dosage of both B complex, zinc and calcium magnesium. Do you know where the literature on those particulare vitamins for hypothyroidism are? The more I read about Synthroid the more I am convinced that the drug companies and the doctors are in bed with each other. Synthroid has been a bad drug since the 40’s with negligible results but is one of the most highly subscribed drugs in the world. Always follow the money trail.

Does anyone know if low hypothyroid in the mother would effect the baby

GET YOUR WIFE TO A SPECIALIST!

My wife has been wrongly diagnosed for the last 10 yrs. Yes, she has been on Synthroid of varying doses for that entire period. One Dr. even put her on prozac to treat the depression. She has struggled w/ her weight and fought like hell just to maintain, to say nothing about losing any weight. She can not make it through the day wiht out taking a nap.

Recently she finally found a specialist in Phx, AZ and it turns out that she has the following: Hoshimoto’s, early diabetes, and a goiter ( enlarded thyroid). Jesus Crist, do you have any idea how many Dr’s have felt her neck over the last 10yrs and and did not feel a goiter! We are waited for more test and the result of a biopsy, but should have a new treatment shortly.

I suspect her case is more severe than your wife's but if you would like me to keep you posted as to the new treatments and progress I would be happy to, if the moderator will forward you my e-mail.

This is not a knock against the natual stuff you asked about, just make damn sure you know what your are trying to treat.

JD

JD, thanks and that is what I plan to do. All day I did a lot of research on the internet and you might want to check out a couple of sites. First of all there is a site in which they discuss hypothyroid and the many misdiagnosis. They also post a Thyroid Disease Top Doctors at http://forums.about.com/ab-thyroiddrs/start. There is also a doctor who feels that women would do a lot better if they took both T3 and T4 combination and he is at http://www.brodabarnes.org/. The one thing that I can surmise from hypothyroidism is that many doctors are in the dark about what the right treatment should be and that the tests that they use are not very good at determining hypothyroidism. One thing that you might want to make sure your doctor tests your wife with is for FT3 (free T3) and FT4 (free T4). This is a test that they can determine exactly what her levels are.

Cjack, if she’s eating a fair amount of soy, you might find this interesting. http://thyroid.about.com/health/thyroid/cs/soysdownsides/ Best wishes to both of you.

Cjack- Thanks for the websites. My wife’s new Dr. is an endocrinologist specializing in thyrod disorders and is known for being very agressive in treatments. He is nationally known and Mayo certified. During her first round of tests they took 7 vials and a pint of blood, due to the number of tests. In addition to the blood work they did a sonogram of the thyriod. It will be very interesting what type of drug/diet/supplement protcol he sets up.I know she is going to be eating alot of my yams, oatmeal, apples and other low GI carbs.

I’ve been treated for severe hypothyroidism since I was 17. I’m 43 now. Armour is fairly crappy because the amounts of T3 and T4 are inconsistent. Synthroid has been getting knocked lately by conspiracy theorists - only.


Okay, here’s what has worked for me, and what I’ve learned. Until I was in my mid-thirties, Synthroid alone worked wonderfully (0.2mg). Then mostly because of my age, I had needed to have my dosage decreased a bit. I went through several years of never feeling right, usually not enough energy. Then I started to come across more and more research that indicated a combination of T4 (Synthroid or generic) and T3 (Cytomel or generic) gives the greatest patient satisfaction along with acceptable blood levels. By presenting my doctor with a few research papers, I convinced him to prescribe a combo of Synthroid and Cytomel. It took us a few rounds of dosing combos, but I feel pretty well dialed in now. By the way, with the half-life of T3, and the fact that T3 is metabolized T4, I can understand why doctors have been reluctant to prescribe the combination. It doesn’t make sense with current biochemical knowledge. But the real life experience shows they need to listen carefully to how their patients feel.


Anyway, about your wife. Maybe a combo of Cytomel and Synthroid is the way to go. Maybe there is something else wrong. Pregnancy is freakin’ hard on women and can screw 'em up or at least produce permanent changes in them. And always remember, doctors are just another vendor, and you’re the customer. They’re not gods and don’t let them try to treat you like they are. Best of luck

TWB thanks for the advise. That is what I heard on about.com’s discussion group about hypothyroidism. A combination of T3 and T4 drugs but it has to be tweeked. You have to have a doctor that is open to how you feel instead of how the TSH blood test comes back. Hopefully my wife can get corrected on a T3 and T4 med combination.

Hi cjack. I have hypothyroidism myself, and I’ve always used Synthroid. Actually, I buy Puran T4, wich is produced here, in Brazil. I have to go check my hormone levels every year, once. I haven’t had problems with that, but in case I don’t take it, I do feel slugish, and don’t want to eat much. According to what I know, your wife must not be taken enough synthroid. Good luck, Gus.

Has your wife gone through the whole sabang of testing yet, or are her docs only basing their analysis on a simple T3, T4 and TSH testing? My wife’s testing for her TSH two weeks ago indicated that her conglomerate TSH was 16. Within one week, she rose to 20.4! Remember that the normal is 1-5! The closer one gets to 1 the better and “more normal” one feels. My wife also found out through these tests that her antibodies, which have a normal range of 1 – 25, hers turned out to be OVER 1000 – 2000. Quickly indicating Hasimoto’s disease, which had previously not been diagnosed. Many docs do not get aggressive enough with the hypothyroid disease. As I am sure you have read, the thyroid controls more than just metabolism! Cholesterol, menstrual cycles, potential pancreas function, etc. etc etc…Mary Shomon’s hypothyroid site is quite good at www…about.com/health/thyroid. On her site there are numerous articles in which she has done a great deal of research and cross-research to make sure that in information provided is accurate. (My wife’s endocrinologist even approved) Anyway, on this site is a very good link to certified and reputable endocrinologist that is defiantly worth looking into for a second or twentieth opinions. The more alpha testing the more accurate the diagnosis is going to be. As I think of more additions I would be happy to forward on to you. Just let me know!