Hugo Chavez

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Who wouldn’t like a system where more resources go to medical care than to tanks and bombs?
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Like the Russians didn’t have tanks and bombs?

Who wouldn’t like a system where the people have to stand in food lines and the grocery stores are bare?[/quote]

Russia was not socialist, however, to the extent they were, of course they had a military. If you take away one thing from reading history, it’s that the rich and powerful will not tolerate anything that threatens their privilege if there’s anything they can do about it. So of course they had a military. You should be glad, too, as you’d most likely be speaking German right now had they not.
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Just be glad you’re not speaking Russian.

Who wouldn’t like to live in a society where you don’t have to worry about health care, but are paid a wage so low by the State you live in poverty?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:I’ve been anti-Chavez here for years; said he should meet up with a bullet.

The fact that he got the loudest applause, with a standing o, should tell us all about the rest of the world. They’re all corrupt devils.[/quote]

Ah, yes, it couldn’t be you! It’s EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD. If that’s not the definition of schizophrenic, then I don’t know what is.

The other explanation, that you’re just a raving lunatic, is far more credible.
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So you stand with Chavez in his denunciations of the United States?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Who wouldn’t like a system where more resources go to medical care than to tanks and bombs?
[/quote]

Like the Russians didn’t have tanks and bombs?

Who wouldn’t like a system where the people have to stand in food lines and the grocery stores are bare?[/quote]

Russia was not socialist, however, to the extent they were, of course they had a military. If you take away one thing from reading history, it’s that the rich and powerful will not tolerate anything that threatens their privilege if there’s anything they can do about it. So of course they had a military. You should be glad, too, as you’d most likely be speaking German right now had they not.
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Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.

National SOCIALISM.

How many examples do you libs need? Your theory is evil.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Who wouldn’t like a system where more resources go to medical care than to tanks and bombs?
[/quote]

Like the Russians didn’t have tanks and bombs?

Who wouldn’t like a system where the people have to stand in food lines and the grocery stores are bare?[/quote]

Na.

Just stupid.

Russia was not socialist, however, to the extent they were, of course they had a military. If you take away one thing from reading history, it’s that the rich and powerful will not tolerate anything that threatens their privilege if there’s anything they can do about it. So of course they had a military. You should be glad, too, as you’d most likely be speaking German right now had they not.
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Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.

National SOCIALISM.

How many examples do you libs need? Your theory is evil.
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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Who wouldn’t like a system where more resources go to medical care than to tanks and bombs?
[/quote]

Like the Russians didn’t have tanks and bombs?

Who wouldn’t like a system where the people have to stand in food lines and the grocery stores are bare?[/quote]

Russia was not socialist, however, to the extent they were, of course they had a military. If you take away one thing from reading history, it’s that the rich and powerful will not tolerate anything that threatens their privilege if there’s anything they can do about it. So of course they had a military. You should be glad, too, as you’d most likely be speaking German right now had they not.
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Ryan, I asked you the following questions a few weeks ago. You either did not see it, or simply chose to ignore the questions. I post it again in hopes of a reply.

Ryan, where were you first introduced to socialism and what exactly was it that attracted you to it? One of the reasons that I ask is that your location states Tennessee. I too am from Tennessee (Nashville area) and the area is not generally known for its socialist leanings. Did you grow up here or just go to school here.

Also what authors and works did you study to develop the structure and foundation of your philosophy? Was the door opened through the Green meme that is so prevalent in today’s college culture, or is it a family leaning?
Real questions. I’m not picking or setting you up. Just interested.

Jeaton

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Go ahead and get that 10,000th post in, too.[/quote]

And you needed two posts for that?

Post whore!

Ah, delicious irony…

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Touché

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Who wouldn’t like to live in a society where you don’t have to worry about health care, but are paid a wage so low by the State you live in poverty?[/quote]

Even if this were a representative example of socialism (in either theory or practice), it’s no worse than capitalism. So at worst, there would be no difference under a socialist economy. Of course, this all ignores the perpetual conflation of government control with socialism.

[quote]666Rich wrote:
Ryan, since you purport your knowledge of math and physics as being proof that you are grounded in some sort of logic. Please, tell me, what books on economics you have read? [/quote]

My studies in math and physics have been mentioned to show the inadequacy of the “university as leftist enclave” argument, a perennial favorite of the right in its attempts to avoid answering difficult questions.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:So you stand with Chavez in his denunciations of the United States?
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Yes. This should not be read as a personal endorsement of Chavez or his government (nor a rebuke, for that matter, as I am not as knowledgeable about Venezuela as I probably should be).

[quote]Headhunter wrote:Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.

National SOCIALISM.

How many examples do you libs need? Your theory is evil.
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Haha. Let me ask you question: if I get a dog, and name it “cat,” which is it?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.

National SOCIALISM.

How many examples do you libs need? Your theory is evil.
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Haha. Let me ask you question: if I get a dog, and name it “cat,” which is it?[/quote]

Then why do you have a hammer and sickle in your avatar? Are you a ‘dog’ or a ‘cat’?

“Community Before Self” (Famous Nazi Slogan)

Until you understand that it is not a choice between serving others (unselfishness) and hurting others (brute selfishness), you ask for your own destruction.

It seems you are calling the dog “cat”.

What is your definition of Socialism and why don’t the Nazi’s and Communists fall in your definition?

Which countries practice Socialism which fall within your definition?

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Who wouldn’t like a system where more resources go to medical care than to tanks and bombs?
[/quote]

Like the Russians didn’t have tanks and bombs?

Who wouldn’t like a system where the people have to stand in food lines and the grocery stores are bare?[/quote]

Russia was not socialist, however, to the extent they were, of course they had a military. If you take away one thing from reading history, it’s that the rich and powerful will not tolerate anything that threatens their privilege if there’s anything they can do about it. So of course they had a military. You should be glad, too, as you’d most likely be speaking German right now had they not.
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Ryan, I asked you the following questions a few weeks ago. You either did not see it, or simply chose to ignore the questions. I post it again in hopes of a reply.

Ryan, where were you first introduced to socialism and what exactly was it that attracted you to it? One of the reasons that I ask is that your location states Tennessee. I too am from Tennessee (Nashville area) and the area is not generally known for its socialist leanings. Did you grow up here or just go to school here.

Also what authors and works did you study to develop the structure and foundation of your philosophy? Was the door opened through the Green meme that is so prevalent in today’s college culture, or is it a family leaning?
Real questions. I’m not picking or setting you up. Just interested.

Jeaton

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Don’t take it personally Jeaton, I asked the ass clown if he ever visited a Socialist country and got a blank answer too.

It would seem that an honest question and real dialogue have the same effect on young Ryan as Kryptonite had on Superman. I have held back, simply trying to discover Ryan’s “center of gravity.” I honestly could not tell whether he was simply a troll or worse.

A while back, before young Ryan made his appearance on this earth, I read a philosophical work that touched on antisemitism. I do not remember the author, maybe Nietzsche. The main point was of the author relating the story of an uncle that had nothing in his life of importance. The one thing he did have, that he held on to very tightly, was a reputation as an anti-Semite. Just the mention of Jews would send this man into a rage. For one brief moment, he would come alive. His anger would swell and those around him would alter their behavior in relation to him. For once, if only for a moment, he would be significant.

Maybe our young Ryan is the 21st century version of this uncle. In place of the Jews, he has capitalism to rail against. His friends, if he has any, know this if nothing else about him. Don’t mention capitalism around Ryan. He is a passionate Socialist.

Enjoy your significance Ryan.

Whilst I am certainly not a supporter of Chavez he does have several very legitimate reasons to be mighty pissed off with the US government and their repeated attempts to remove a democratically elected leader from power.

You’re missing the point. You’re calling the dog a cat. That’s my point.

Irrelevant, the Nazis bear no resemblance to socialists. They tried to eliminate communism.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
It seems you are calling the dog “cat”.

What is your definition of Socialism and why don’t the Nazi’s and Communists fall in your definition?

Which countries practice Socialism which fall within your definition?
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My definition of socialism is the classic definition of socialism: worker control over the means of production. The Nazis and Soviets did not meet this requirement.

Anarchist Spain in the mid 1930s briefly epitomized this concept, before they were defeated by the Fascists. Yugoslavia did, to some degree, though worker control was not as complete. The Mondragon cooperatives in Spain are a good example. Cuba is a pretty good example. I have read that Venezuela is making significant strides towards this as well, though as I said, I am not as knowledgeable about that country as I should be, so I’ll refrain from saying anything else about them.

[quote]JEATON wrote:
It would seem that an honest question and real dialogue have the same effect on young Ryan as Kryptonite had on Superman. I have held back, simply trying to discover Ryan’s “center of gravity.” I honestly could not tell whether he was simply a troll or worse.[/quote]

Did you not get my PM? I didn’t want to derail the thread.

No, but neither have you.