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HRT Dosing??

What is the standard dose for depotest
Testosterone cyponate…My endo put me on 100mg every 2 weeks, this seems to be about half what I read the dose should be… Am I getting short changed or just trust him… after all he is the doctor. I just dont want to go the injection route to have a test level at the low end of normal…

This is on the humble end of an already humble scale for HRT. Infrequently, you’ll find a doctor who’ll prescribe, say, 300 mg of test cyp every two weeks, but they rarely go beyond that.

It’s unlikely, if you voice your discontent too soon, that he’ll up your dosage. You may have a better chance if you stay on his dosage for a while and then tell him you can’t tell the difference. Even then, he’ll be reading the blood work and might shy away from a bigger script.

Not to keep delivering bad news, but even at 300 mg every two weeks, the effects in the gym will be moderate at best. That’s the dosage I’m on. The improvement in size and strength can be measured, and I’m grateful for it. But it’s not dramatic.

Frankly, I get more hypertrophic benefit from a good prohormone, though those won’t be legal much longer.

All of the above deals with size and strength only. HRT may very well improve other things, libido particularly, and that even at small doses.

Thanks for the reply. Wish you had better news…Should I try a differnt endo or go with this dose then schedule a follow up in a month or so, maybe even go light on the dose leading up to the follow up, and hope he will adjust it up. I know that even at 200 or 300mg every two weeks it will not be like being on a real cycle in terms of gains.
Thats what fina is for… Im looking for libido boost more than anything…

Cool. You seem to have realistic expectations about gains and such.

I found a noticeable rise in libido even at 200 mg every two weeks. And I’m a 47 year old man on other meds known to diminish libido. Usually my sex drive spikes around four to six days after injection. I’ve never fully understood this, but it’s repeatedly proven to be true.

Another endo? Yes, you could try that indeed, if you’re really motivated. In theory you could take the same blood work to another doctor.

As I’ve posted before, I found a doctor who was listed at lef.com. This is not an internet dispensary. It’s an organization that shares data on life extension studies. The doctors who belong to it are private practicioners, but by definition, they are more open to alternative therapies. Consequently, they often write for larger prescriptions. It happens that my doctor is just a GP, so perhaps you shouldn’t limit yourself to endos.

You might give 100 mg every two weeks a little longer. I can’t tell if you’ve been on it a while or if you’re just reflexively disappointed at the outset in the small dose. In either case, you might hold more sway with a second doctor if he senses you’re disappointed after a fair trial and the first doctor won’t work with you.

The one argument you could make with your doctor is that you are not actually recieving 100mg of test - since 1/3 of test cypinoate is the actual ester. therefore an approximate amount of test that you are recieving is more like around 65mg, of the active hormone.

I have a friend who was prescribed three (yes three!) Anadrol 50 tabs a day because his weight fit in that dosage on the doc’s dispensing chart. He only weighed about 200 maybe even 190 at the time, so maybe you could ask your doc for a switch over to orals and see what he says? You’ll definately feel one A50 a day, my personal best lifts were accomplished with that dose. On another note, since it is a class II androgen, it leaves some room for a nice little stack with some M1T or a 1-test product, if you want to stay legal.

I forgot to mention this after reading P22’s post. You could also ask to switch over to propionate or suspension. You would be getting more test per shot (83mgs/ml with the prop and full amount with the suspension) plus since these two have short half-lives, you would require more frequent injections, thus getting even more test!

The best rule of thumb I’ve heard is use enough to make you feel like your old self. How do you feel on your present dose? Another thing you could try is 4AD-EC. Start with one capsule a day for a week then add one at a time till you feel right. Since 4AD-EC is a type 2 steroid it will make a great stack. It’s a strong androgen it gives me better wood than proviron. Since Fina is a progesterone mimic I would lay off of that. TRIBEX, M, RED KAT or Alpha Male might also help a little.

The advice Tim and I are giving to most docs is quite different.

We’ve found that 400 to 600 mg. every 3 WEEKS works quite well. Blood tests on several subjects have shown that in the third week–when Test levels should be leveling off–patients actually tested abnormally high; in the 700 ng/dl range.

What we theorize is happening is the the shots are far enough apart where you don’t get any suppression. Your system simply picks off right where it left off while you’re still benefiting slightly from the previous shot.

I am a 48 year old HRT patient myself. I know several others that are also HRT patients. I’ve seen doses as low as 300 mg every three weeks and as high as 400 mg per week. I am at 250 mg per week and it works well for me. Both at the Gym and in the sack.

I actually have normal hpta function.
I was able to manipulate my test levels enough to get a script. How can I use the depotest to add to my natural production w/o shutting myself down… Is that possible…maybe with low dose and arimdex or clomid…I just want to be on the upper end of normal.Is this possible???

TC,

Cypinate, propionate or suspension?

Are the doctors asking life extension specialists or normal endocrinologists?

Has there been a change in your dosing recomendations in the year since you posted this?

I ask because my internal medicine doctor will not prescribe injectables and my wife despises the smell of the Testim gel and I need to make a change.

[quote]Atomic Dog wrote:
The advice Tim and I are giving to most docs is quite different.

We’ve found that 400 to 600 mg. every 3 WEEKS works quite well. Blood tests on several subjects have shown that in the third week–when Test levels should be leveling off–patients actually tested abnormally high; in the 700 ng/dl range.

What we theorize is happening is the the shots are far enough apart where you don’t get any suppression. Your system simply picks off right where it left off while you’re still benefiting slightly from the previous shot.[/quote]