I am atempting an HPTA restart. i was on TRT for 6 months mainly because of libido. MY TT was 500 and FT 7.1. I am 45 BTW
Never felt dialed in and libido has never been great except for the 3 weeks where both exogenous and endogenous T were working. Also, it has been and emotional roller coster. thank you very much but i rather take cialis when needed.
It can take more than 6 months to dial in, but you started TRT with hypothyroidism indicated by a TSH of 4.8, so it’s no wonder TRT didn’t work. The first 3 weeks on TRT comment suggests estrogen became a problem right out of the gate, I solved this by injecting smaller doses every 2 days.
Restart protocol: HCG 300-400iu daily X 14 days, FOLLOWED by Clomid 25mg daily X 28 days
thank you for your input and wisdom @systemlord but in my country doctors treat numbers instead of symptons. anyway I have booked and appointment with the endo regarding thyroid. i still need a way out though…
I think your restart protocol is a little extreme. I’d run HCG for 2-3 weeks, then a SERM for a couple of weeks if you absolutely want to. Retest in 2-3 months, I’d be willing to bet you’ll be just fine.
That’s the sick care system/socialized medicine and doctors everywhere do the same unless you go private and pay for treatment.
The reference ranges doctors go by are not normal, the organizations behind the reference ranges have a biased towards bioidentical hormones, it prevents and treats so many diseases.
Drop the HCG that will keep you shutdown. You just need Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20
Then go get your T, LH and FSH checked to see if your pituitary gland and testis are functioning.
thank you for your input. Do you meaning dosages per week? such as:
40mg/week1
40/week2
20/week3
20/week4
20/week5
I am wondering if am not going to struggle big time in the first weeks with low mood and lack of strength.Also as stated in the stickies, should i not be taking an AI to prevent estrogen rebound?
Its 40 every day for the first 2 weeks, then 20 everyday for the last 3 weeks.
Sure your going to feel like shit your hormones are going to be all over the place while your body sorts this all out. You ain’t getting away from that no matter what you take. Your natty TT will probably be low and for whatever reason you started TRT will also be present. Life is going to suck for a little while.
Many say to not take an AI while on PCT I do take a low dose. .25mg/wk That is one quarter of a pill per week for 3 weeks.
Good luck
I am not an expert on PCT since I am on TRT year round. Here’s my suggestion. enanthate has an elimination half - life of 4.5 days and a mean residence time of 8.5 days when used as a depot intramuscular injection.
T leaves the body pretty quickly E2 will hang around much longer. If you have the pills I’d start taking them right away it can’t hurt since it is not an AI.
I’ve seen in the pharma section it’s stated to start 2-3 weeks after the last shot (for cycles) with 3 weeks being better than 2. Maybe @iron_yuppie can give you a good idea on when to start pct after the last shot.
The exogynous T will interfere with any restart, it works better to tough it out for at least 2 weeks before starting. It doesn’t hurt to run HCG for those weeks, right up until a day or two before you start the PCT.
That’s a 12 week cycle with 15 weeks plotted. You can see that you still have test yet to clear at the end of week 14. Pushing pct out past two weeks makes sense. Will you die if you start a little early? No. But you paid good money for those pills, you might as well use them properly.
So, if your last shot of Test was yesterday, your T level is what it would be. Your body doesn’t know the difference yet.
Don’t take HCG daily. It’s pointless. Take 200mg EOD. It’s method of action precludes you getting much out of ED, and that dose isn’t much anyway.
Don’t start the Nolvadex until week 4, and do not take an AI. Do NOT take an AI. It won’t do anything particularly good for you in this situation but could make you feel like crap.
Don’t get in your own head with this. Stay busy and try not to hyperfocus on every little thing.
I did 200iu today and I am actually feeling very calm and without muscle pains. The other experts in this forum also agree that i should only start the novaldex at week 4? As I said before my balls at the moment have good size and firmness.
