I’m tall with long legs, too (36 inch inside leg). I recently changed my DL from a shoulder to hip-width stance and it feels better once you get used to it. It also lets your arms hang straight down which, someone correct me if I’m wrong, improves your leverage.
[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:
I’m tall with long legs, too (36 inch inside leg). I recently changed my DL from a shoulder to hip-width stance and it feels better once you get used to it. It also lets your arms hang straight down which, someone correct me if I’m wrong, improves your leverage.[/quote]
I might just have to try it.
[quote]alexus wrote:
I guess it depends on the lower back issue. I’ve just found that in my own personal case eliminating sitting from my life, replacing low bar back squat with high bar back squat and pulling sumo rather than conventional has eliminated my lower back pain.[/quote]
I try and avoid sitting as much as I can as well, although that can be a little difficult to do. Maybe Ill try the sumo deadlift, which I dont know much about.
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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Your feet are really wide apart for someone with back pain. I generally find that a closer stance means more leg drive, which is better on the back.
I made a video explaining how I deadlift. See if it helps you out.
Awesome video, high reps for the KB swings?
[quote]chobbs wrote:
Awesome video, high reps for the KB swings?[/quote]
Whatever makes your deadlift go up. High reps, low reps, ladders, timed sets, etc. It’s more the fact that you are drilling the hip extension that is important to me rather than the programming itself.
[quote]theBird wrote:
How tall are you?
I feel if I have my legs together, that my back will have to round and contort just to get low enough to pick up the bar.
My gym does not have a GHR machine, although I am considering buying one to keep at home.
I respect your decision in regards not to train me. I would be grateful if you could keep an eye on this thread and help when you can.
Regards
Bird.
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I am 5’9. I’m definitely built to deadlift, with long limbs/legs and a short torso, which also means I’m a terrible squatter.
To overcome the “rounding and contorting” issue, I find it’s beneficial to set your grip and feet on the dead first, and not lower your hips until immediately before the pull. Rolling the bar backwards will help. Ideally, you want to be falling backwards the entire time you pull, rather than standing upright.
Definitely buy a home GHR. Great piece of equipment to have.
Hi friends,
Welcome to the 2nd installation of my exciting new series!
This week I had taken T3hPwnishers advice and had brought my feet closer together. Not as close as T3hPwnisher, but just narrower than shoulder width. This new set-up felt natural and I think i will keep my feet at this width. I concentrated on keeping tight, pulling the bar “back” and tried no to hyperextend at the lock-out. Most reps felt good.
Please watch the latest video and critique my form. I am especially interested to hear opinions regarding my hip position, in terms if I should be lowering or even raising my hips a bit as the start of the lift. I have included 2 sets of 4 “singles”, and for your convenience I have fast forwarded the time in between each rep as I was re-setting.
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I think by setting your grip first and THEN lowering your hips, you’ll get a more natural and stronger pull versus your squat down to the bar approach.
Aren’t the majority of low back problems that occur with the deadlift caused by the last foot or two on the descent?
[quote]chobbs wrote:
Aren’t the majority of low back problems that occur with the deadlift caused by the last foot or two on the descent? [/quote]
I think the set-up is more the culprit in most cases.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I think by setting your grip first and THEN lowering your hips, you’ll get a more natural and stronger pull versus your squat down to the bar approach. [/quote]
Thanks for the tip. I will try that next time. What do you think of my hip position and the initial part of the lift? I am concerned that I am “squatting” the bar up.
[quote]chobbs wrote:
Aren’t the majority of low back problems that occur with the deadlift caused by the last foot or two on the descent? [/quote]
From my understanding the bar should be “dropped” for the last foot or two. I think T3Pwnisher may be on to something when he says the initial set up is probably a large factor in lower back complications.
On a side note this morning at the gym I saw 2 bros at the gym this morning doing deadlifts with the most rounded backs ever. Made my eyes water.
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You are definitely squatting the bar up, which is why I think you should set your grip first. Basically, the conventional deadlift is a big weighted hip hinge. You want to be moving like one of those “drinking bird” novelty toys, where the movement is happening all in your hips.
In regards to back rounding, I think people really put too much attention into it.
Bird, if you actually get big and strong, aren’t your soccer buddies just going to look at you with fear and suspicion?
Be careful what you wish for.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
You are definitely squatting the bar up, which is why I think you should set your grip first. Basically, the conventional deadlift is a big weighted hip hinge. You want to be moving like one of those “drinking bird” novelty toys, where the movement is happening all in your hips.
In regards to back rounding, I think people really put too much attention into it. [/quote]
Ok, thanks for the tip. Are there any cues or anything that should be trying to do better to stop “squatting” the bar up??
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Bird, if you actually get big and strong, aren’t your soccer buddies just going to look at you with fear and suspicion?
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Sorry, I couldn’t watch your youtube clip as I am at work atm. But to answer your question I am just trying to get a little stronger in the off-season. Im already big and strong, and I already strike fear in those that get in my way.
Bird-style.
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[quote]theBird wrote:
Ok, thanks for the tip. Are there any cues or anything that should be trying to do better to stop “squatting” the bar up??
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Push your arse back rather than down.
[quote]theBird wrote:
Ok, thanks for the tip. Are there any cues or anything that should be trying to do better to stop “squatting” the bar up??
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I don’t think you are at a place where you need to worry about cues. Get the set up right and it should sort itself out.
An article from a couple months back said that guys w/ shorter limbs should squat the bar up a little bit more than others. I wasn’t quite sure what to make of it.
Hi friends,
Welcome to the 3rd instalment of my video series.
This week I have taken Th3Pwnisher’s advice and set my grip before setting up to pull. I am a little disappointed with my performance today, and I feel mentally I was not 100%. I feel my upper back was not tight enough and I didn’t feel my hamstrings or glutes getting involved. I think I should have been sticking my butt a little more back and perhaps a little more down?
The second set in the video was with 175 lbs and my form really broke down, so Im hoping that gives you guys more clues on how to fix things??
Another thought; I have just got some olympic lifting shoes. Perhaps the change in leverage may help with my form and stop me from “squatting the bar up as much”???
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I didn’t see you setting your grip first in this video. Perhaps it was a different one? Here, you still squatted down to the bar before getting your grip on the bar.
enough w/ the damn balking.