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How NOT To Squat 680lbs

http://www.vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/440

[quote]grussgott wrote:
http://www.vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/440[/quote]

That’s why when i enter the 3 4 5 club i will just maintain. i don’t think the body was meant to handle that much weight without a lot of extreme adaptation,.

Was that Mendelson?

[quote]Lou Garu wrote:
Was that Mendelson?[/quote]

mendelson is 350 10% bf he has also squated 1000 so no I dont think that is mendelson

Wow.

Yeah… that looks like a firing of the good ole’ GTO inhibition-reflex, right there.

I think the guys name is Brian Bach(I know the last name is Bach, just not sure on the first name). Also, I used to be of the mind of “maintaining”, but you are still putting your body at risk. Think about it, are you going to squat 405 for the rest of your lift for 3reps. No, you will do more reps like God intended. This is a muscle game, and as I learned a long time ago you either do more weight or get the fuck out.

[quote]undesired08 wrote:
This is a muscle game, and as I learned a long time ago you either do more weight or get the fuck out. [/quote]

Or you can become ridiculously strong and then use your strength to pursue and master new athletic disciplines.

Martial arts
Boxing
Wrestling
Olympic lifting
Gymnastics
Freerunning
Breakdancing
Tricking
Strongman competition
Downhill biking
etc,
etc,
etc…

Spending your entire athletic life in the gym is just boring.

– ElbowStrike

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
undesired08 wrote:
This is a muscle game, and as I learned a long time ago you either do more weight or get the fuck out.

Or you can become ridiculously strong and then use your strength to pursue and master new athletic disciplines.

Martial arts
Boxing
Wrestling
Olympic lifting
Gymnastics
Freerunning
Breakdancing
Tricking
Strongman competition
Downhill biking
etc,
etc,
etc…

Spending your entire athletic life in the gym is just boring.

– ElbowStrike[/quote]

Number 1: that’s just your opinion

Number 2: you would still have to lift in order to keep your strength. If, as you suggest, one took up boxing once they were really strong, they would lose some of that strength if they stopped lifting. The gym will always have its place for most serious bber’s, powerlifters and athletes competing in any sport where strength speed and power play a part.

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
undesired08 wrote:
This is a muscle game, and as I learned a long time ago you either do more weight or get the fuck out.

Or you can become ridiculously strong and then use your strength to pursue and master new athletic disciplines.

Martial arts
Boxing
Wrestling
Olympic lifting
Gymnastics
Freerunning
Breakdancing
Tricking
Strongman competition
Downhill biking
etc,
etc,
etc…

Spending your entire athletic life in the gym is just boring.

– ElbowStrike[/quote]

That is the choice every individual has to make. For me, it felt/feels pointless to perform the 3 “primary” lifts just for me. I want to know that I hit below parellel on my squat, my pause was long enough on my bench, and that I didn’t hitch the weight up on my deadlift. But, that is me. There are some younger guys at my gym that just want to lift for right now, and that is their choice. To each his own.

[quote]That One Guy wrote:
grussgott wrote:
http://www.vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/440

That’s why when i enter the 3 4 5 club i will just maintain. i don’t think the body was meant to handle that much weight without a lot of extreme adaptation,. [/quote]

Or you could just avoid doing 1RMs with insane weight.

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Or you can become ridiculously strong and then use your strength to pursue and master new athletic disciplines.

– ElbowStrike[/quote]

And 3,4,5 is ridiculously strong like the above poster said?

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Martial arts
Boxing
Wrestling
Olympic lifting
Gymnastics
Freerunning
Breakdancing
Tricking
Strongman competition
Downhill biking
etc,
etc,
etc…

Spending your entire athletic life in the gym is just boring.

– ElbowStrike[/quote]

Yes, you are right. I will take up breakdancing immediately.

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[quote]elliotnewman1 wrote:
Number 2: you would still have to lift in order to keep your strength. If, as you suggest, one took up boxing once they were really strong, they would lose some of that strength if they stopped lifting. The gym will always have its place for most serious bber’s, powerlifters and athletes competing in any sport where strength speed and power play a part.[/quote]

Well, yeah. That goes without saying.

My original criticism is towards the one comment that says to “either consistently add weight to the bar or get the fuck out”. Weight on the bar is only one factor in your training and there are a lot of athletic goals out there other than always adding more weight to the bar.

If you’re squatting 450 and your goal isn’t to be a champion powerlifter, I see little sense in spending years to bring your squat up to 600 when you could maintain, say 450, and improve your vertical jump, broad jump, front, side, back, and hook kicks, front and side splits, one-legged squats and deads, grappling skills, etc.

In light of the many alternatives, I really don’t see how not wanting to dedicate all of one’s time and energy to the single goal of forever adding more weight means that one should “GTFO”.

But if it does, then that’s just your opinion. :wink:

[quote]greekdawg wrote:
And 3,4,5 is ridiculously strong like the above poster said?[/quote]

5 plates per side on squat and dead would probably put you in the 99.9th percentile for human strength.

In statistics, isn’t the top 5% considered the “elite”?

I’m sure we can concede that the top 0.1% are the “ridiculously elite”.

If you won’t stop until you’re in the “really, really, ridiculously elite” category of 0.001% then all the power to you.

And here I always pegged you as the rhythmic gymnastics type.

– ElbowStrike

[quote]grussgott wrote:
http://www.vidmax.com/index.php/videos/view/440 [/quote]

What good were this guy’s spotters?!?

I’ve been studying this video since it started kicking around(Although I still haven’t been able to bring myself to watch the snap. Only right before and right after.) and I’m wondering if anyone can, I guess, explain what might have gone wrong in it to me.

It seems obvious enough to most I’d imagine. Too much weight. High bodyweight plus a very heavy barbell was more than the leg could handle so it gave.

It just, I’m a bit stuck on WHY it was too much weight.

While that’s certainly a lot of weight, many others have squated considerably more. Some were larger than this guy and some were smaller. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t thing 680 would touch the SHW records in most lifting federations. Therefore we can conclude that supporting this amount of weight is by no means beyond the human body’s ability to support weight. So why did this guy’s leg give? Even if he was reaching by attempting to squat it, it couldn’t of been THAT MUCH more than his max if he was able to walk it out of the rack. Just the ability to unrack that suggests a level of strength built via consistent heavy weight lifting.

Weight lifting is suppose to be beneficial to bone density, so having built up a base is all the more reason I wouldn’t expect a break like that.

Nice heads-up spotting there, gentlemen…

I’d agree with Elbowstrike that it looks like a firing of the GTO (Golgi Tendon Organ), a mechanism that protects the body from lifting potentially damaging loads. It’s an involuntary impulse that most hardcore lifters have managed to inhibit to some degree…Mr. 680 had clearly spent some serious time in the gym but evidently 680 was his limit: his GT fired, and down he went. Maybe he was not appropriately warmed up, maybe he got a little cocky for the camera, maybe he was coming back a little too fast from a layoff. But now he’s on involuntary layoff, for who knows how long…

For sure he needed better spotters, though…and probably another 2 of them. Catching 340 pounds in that position is pretty tough, even for muscleheads like that. In any event, those goons are lucky that Mr. 680’s barbell didn’t topple forward, breaking his neck or killing him.

[quote]squatdude wrote:
What good were this guy’s spotters?!?[/quote]

To be fair to the spotters they were probably taken just as much by surprise as I was by the suddenness of the drop.

I’m pretty sure they were figuring on either spotting this guy back up or helping him bail from the bottom. I doubt if anybody figured they were going to have to be counted on to “CATCH” 600 pounds before the set began.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I doubt if anybody figured they were going to have to be counted on to “CATCH” 600 pounds before the set began.[/quote]

Geez, I really wish someone could go and invent some kind of powerful rack for safety in situations like this. :wink:

– ElbowStrike