How Much Whey?

IF you are drinking you Whey, personally i would not buy a Whey only protein powder. I’d look into a whey/casein protein blend to slow down absorption so it’s not rapidly absorbed by the body.

If you are not drinking it i would buy a whey based protein powder and then add it to say cottage cheese since this is a casein based natural protein so with whey it would be absorbed slowly by the body. Or you can add it to Oats once cooked.

You can use a Whey based protein powder to make say protein pancakes or other protein based recipes once it’s added to other foods the fast absorption isn’t a problem.

You can use as much as you’d like it’s up to you really. If you like to eat your protein then pick animal protein sources if you like to drink it well drink it. The amino acid profile of a protein powder is always superior to any animal based protein source which you are eating and absorbtion of the protein isn’t a problem since it’s liquid form and you are drinking it, where as if you are consuming a whole food protein source it depends on how well you absorb the protein by your GI tract/Small intestine.

I’d keep it to 2-4 Scoops a day.

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
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whats there to debate? 30g of protein from stake has no proven superiority to 30g of protein from whey.
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Actually there is a ton of data that states food is superior. Because the proteins in supplements are separated from the other nutrients in their original food source, protein powders lack the beneficial ingredients in whole foods. In other words, whole food sources of protein are better than protein powders because of the vitamins, minerals and heart-healthy fats they provide. For example, whey protein powders include the same amino acids found in low-fat milk but lack the bone-building calcium you need as part of a well-balanced diet. Relying on protein powders as your primary source of amino acids requires you to include missing nutrients in your other foods, add additional supplements to your diet or risk a nutritional deficiency.

Consuming protein powders may increase your exposure to toxic contaminants. A July 2010 “Consumer Reports” article describes a study in which every type of protein drink they tested came up positive for one or more of the poisonous heavy metals arsenic, mercury, cadmium and lead.

Humans are designed to eat food, thats why we have teeth that our perfect for tearing, crunching and mashing. Slow rate absorption such as whole foods is superior to any liquid. Ask any first year nutritionist or dietitian. Making muscle from another animals muscle just makes sense.
Whole foods are also thermogenic during our digestion process.

But I think many miss the big picture. Protein powder is a supplement, no different from a multivitamin. Used properly they are both a great addition to our daily foods. But neither are a replacement or superior to whole foods. Also most of the so called studies that point to protein powders superiority have their own line or a stake in a company. Why would top level powerlifters and bodybuilders alike eat 4-5 pounds of meat a day instead of just upping their protein powder intake??? Because they now real food is better.

“Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition”; International Society of Sports Nutrition Position Stand: Protein and Exercise; Bill Campbell et al.; September 2007

“Protein and the Body” by Janice R. Hermann, Ph.D., RD/LD Nutrition Education Specialist

[quote]tattoo’d’popeye wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
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whats there to debate? 30g of protein from stake has no proven superiority to 30g of protein from whey.
[/quote]

Actually there is a ton of data that states food is superior. Because the proteins in supplements are separated from the other nutrients in their original food source, protein powders lack the beneficial ingredients in whole foods. In other words, whole food sources of protein are better than protein powders because of the vitamins, minerals and heart-healthy fats they provide. For example, whey protein powders include the same amino acids found in low-fat milk but lack the bone-building calcium you need as part of a well-balanced diet. Relying on protein powders as your primary source of amino acids requires you to include missing nutrients in your other foods, add additional supplements to your diet or risk a nutritional deficiency.

Consuming protein powders may increase your exposure to toxic contaminants. A July 2010 “Consumer Reports” article describes a study in which every type of protein drink they tested came up positive for one or more of the poisonous heavy metals arsenic, mercury, cadmium and lead.

Humans are designed to eat food, thats why we have teeth that our perfect for tearing, crunching and mashing. Slow rate absorption such as whole foods is superior to any liquid. Ask any first year nutritionist or dietitian. Making muscle from another animals muscle just makes sense.
Whole foods are also thermogenic during our digestion process.

But I think many miss the big picture. Protein powder is a supplement, no different from a multivitamin. Used properly they are both a great addition to our daily foods. But neither are a replacement or superior to whole foods. Also most of the so called studies that point to protein powders superiority have their own line or a stake in a company. Why would top level powerlifters and bodybuilders alike eat 4-5 pounds of meat a day instead of just upping their protein powder intake??? Because they now real food is better.

“Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition”; International Society of Sports Nutrition Position Stand: Protein and Exercise; Bill Campbell et al.; September 2007

“Protein and the Body” by Janice R. Hermann, Ph.D., RD/LD Nutrition Education Specialist
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almost everything you said their is wrong. a nutritionist also told me that i should stop eating foods after 7’oclock or else it will turn to fat lol.

I wouldn’t go under 3-4 scoops personally. You can pass with 1-2 easy tho.
As long as you eat a pound or two of lean meat.
Personal opinion of course

If you choose to get your protein from whey, how do you get all the other nutrients that come with whole meat?

ryan.b,

As per this and your many other posts I believe you have a severe case of oral diarrhea . You throw out comments with obviously zero knowledge base and no facts to back your opinions up. Typical.

Does this sound familiar? “Dude, you don’t have the education to debate this. All you do is show how much you don’t really know and that you gained most of your knowledge from websites.” -Prof X.

Took the words out of my mouth…

[quote]tattoo’d’popeye wrote:
ryan.b,

As per this and your many other posts I believe you have a severe case of oral diarrhea . You throw out comments with obviously zero knowledge base and no facts to back your opinions up. Typical.

Does this sound familiar? “Dude, you don’t have the education to debate this. All you do is show how much you don’t really know and that you gained most of your knowledge from websites.” -Prof X.

Took the words out of my mouth…[/quote]

[quote]tattoo’d’popeye wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[ [/quote]

whats there to debate? 30g of protein from stake has no proven superiority to 30g of protein from whey.
[/quote]

Actually there is a ton of data that states food is superior. Because the proteins in supplements are separated from the other nutrients in their original food source, protein powders lack the beneficial ingredients in whole foods. In other words, whole food sources of protein are better than protein powders because of the vitamins, minerals and heart-healthy fats they provide. For example, whey protein powders include the same amino acids found in low-fat milk but lack the bone-building calcium you need as part of a well-balanced diet. Relying on protein powders as your primary source of amino acids requires you to include missing nutrients in your other foods, add additional supplements to your diet or risk a nutritional deficiency.

Consuming protein powders may increase your exposure to toxic contaminants. A July 2010 “Consumer Reports” article describes a study in which every type of protein drink they tested came up positive for one or more of the poisonous heavy metals arsenic, mercury, cadmium and lead.

Humans are designed to eat food, thats why we have teeth that our perfect for tearing, crunching and mashing. Slow rate absorption such as whole foods is superior to any liquid. Ask any first year nutritionist or dietitian. Making muscle from another animals muscle just makes sense.
Whole foods are also thermogenic during our digestion process.

But I think many miss the big picture. Protein powder is a supplement, no different from a multivitamin. Used properly they are both a great addition to our daily foods. But neither are a replacement or superior to whole foods. Also most of the so called studies that point to protein powders superiority have their own line or a stake in a company. Why would top level powerlifters and bodybuilders alike eat 4-5 pounds of meat a day instead of just upping their protein powder intake??? Because they now real food is better.

“Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition”; International Society of Sports Nutrition Position Stand: Protein and Exercise; Bill Campbell et al.; September 2007

“Protein and the Body” by Janice R. Hermann, Ph.D., RD/LD Nutrition Education Specialist
[/quote]

okay here you go.

“Humans are designed to eat food, thats why we have teeth that our perfect for tearing, crunching and mashing. Slow rate absorption such as whole foods is superior to any liquid. Ask any first year nutritionist or dietitian. Making muscle from another animals muscle just makes sense”

one of the dumbest bunch statements ive ever seen. that alone should make you question the credibility of the person writing the piece.

post one study from a respected source that says you will make greater strength and muscle gains from whole food than whey protein powder.

or are you and X just going to keep resorting to little e-jabs in an attempt to validate your false claims?

Whey has the best amino acid profile. Pre, During and Post-Workout it has the most benefit.

BUT shakes should be to added to your diet mainly if you aren’t able to eat a meal or get enough protein from whole foods.

Shakes provide great taste, variety in one’s diet, portability and they are easy to drink.

Protein has the highest “thermal effect” of any food. That means that foods that are high in protein can actually speed up your metabolism as much as 30% because your body has to work harder to digest process and utilize it compared to foods that are higher in fat or carbohydrate.

For instance a 125-gram portion of chicken breast (about 2 pieces with 24 grams of protein and 1.5 grams of fat) may in fact be calculated at approximately 90 calories due to the energy expenditure during the thermic digestive process.

There are several studies that support this, dating back to 1990. For instance Robinson et al3 looked at protein turnover and thermogenesis in response to high-protein and high-carbohydrate feeding in men. In this study a group of seven men received hourly isocaloric meals of high-protein or high-carbohydrate content.

Their responses to feeding were compared with those to a short period of fasting. The 9-hour thermic response to the repeated feeding of high-protein meals was found to be significantly greater than that to the high-carbohydrate meals and the rate of whole-body nitrogen turnover over 9 hours also increased, especially within the high-protein fed group.

This study and studies like it support that the “thermal” effect of protein is one of the primary reasons that a higher protein diet is more effective for fat loss than a high fat diet or a high carbohydrate diet. It must be noted however, that this effect is only obtained through WHOLE FOOD SOURCES and not through pre-digested protein supplements.


Here’s a little chart showing the protein bio-availability of various foods.