How Men and Women Socialize Differently

Or even inside America. I’ve been in a couple industrial strength dustups, and seen plenty more.

Anybody that debates the necessity of modern safety measures is arguing from an armchair, and has never seen somebody lose life and/or limb in these processes.

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That same article says the French were trying to build a sea-level canal. In 1906, the U.S. decided to build a canal with locks and it was finished in 1914, two years ahead of schedule.

Boys socialise as a means of enabling competition.

For girls, socialising in-itself IS a competition!

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So did they change the plan or start at a new location?

Do we count infrastructure that was built for it too or disregard everything that was done to be able to do it, and just say “Hey! Look what America Did!”?

It seems kind of glib at best to say that the clock started when the US took over the project,

So you are wrong.

It also ignores the massive loss of life due to disease, tremendous financial loss, and various and sundry other negative impacts.

Furthermore it ignores the other overarching point that construction and engineering methods are light-years ahead.

So at this granular point of contention and in a much larger sense, you are even more wrong.

Not to mention that you are pointing at its current state as complete, and not when it became serviceable in accounting for its time of “completion”.

Would you like to quit while you’re behind or shall we continue?

Cuz I’m happy with where this is, and would rather just leave it here.

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Look how efficient we were when all it took was thousands of deaths to build stuff! The funniest part is when people act like it wouldn’t return to that way if construction was deregulated. People TOTALLY do the right thing when nobody’s looking and money can be saved.

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Idk about the Hoover dam, but at least for the Panama Canal, I’m pretty sure most of the deaths were from mosquito borne diseases
As always, the germs win…

I’m pretty sure no one died building the Shanghai tower or zhangjiajie sky bridge though

Those dudes in NYC built the Freedom Tower pretty fast.

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There’s evidence that thousands more people died during the construction than the ‘official’ number of 5,609. All sorts of stories out there about the horrors of working on it, and very few concern the disease - people lost limbs and died left and right. Everything we know suggests that it was horrific to work on the Panama Canal, and dangerous because of much more than disease.

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100% agree. Occupational safety regulations didn’t really exist back then

  • For some reason infrastructure was brought up in a gender related thread, and I cannot resist the urge for a massive derail. I’ll try to be as brief as my tendency for rambling written discourse allows.

  • Infrastructure project are generally the products of Big Government. The Pyramids of Giza, Three Gorges Dam etc. Of course there are many exceptions to the rule, but even two landmark 19th century supposedly private infrastructure ventures - the Pacific Railroad and the Suez Canal were heavily reliant on various forms of government subsidies, either direct or indirect.

  • The Chinese - while there were QA issues in the past, the Chinese construction industry benefitted enormously from two decades of investment, both home and abroad and the rapid progress in terms of expertise and experience is astounding. Massive projects overseas fueled by government guarantees to helpless client states also helped. cough cough Belt and Road cough cough

  • The issue with the construction industry in many first-world countries could always be reduced to one issue - locals at the absolute bottom of the social ladder aren’t physically fit enough for manual labor, and those who are have better (easier?) employment options.

We’re just socializing and waxing poetic about the good old days when men were men and women knew their place. At home. Doing fancy stuff with ribbons and hair. :joy:

And the Panama canal was built in 10 years because manliness.

Still haven’t had an answer from OP about what years he’s referring to when he talks about liberty in the old times, and I have a sneaking suspicion that some groups of people may have had significantly less rights.

Statistically speaking, women tend to do more of the housework/childcare, regardless of whether the husband demands it. On average, women seem more detail oriented => “care more”. There are studies showing differences in how men and women process their surroundings and how women have a far more descriptive vocabulary when it comes to adjectives and particularly colour.

As such, this statement isn’t necessarily sexist at all. In fact, many women WANT to become mothers and don’t necessarily care as much as being the breadwinner.

With that said, economic contribution => status and household production =/= economic contribution => lower status on average (although that’s changing fast).

Regarding socialization, women, on average, have been shown to be more adept at reading non-verbal cues or emotional cues and tend to be more collective => “cattiness”. However, there is debate whether that’s more due to biology or being the “subordinate” group in male dominated societies

For me personally, I’ve found it easier to get along with male classmates 1) because I’m in a male dominated field and tend to rely on proximity to develop social connection 2) male friends tend to tell me more directly when I’ve screwed up

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Then you probably won’t throw a tizzy when I point out that I was being kinda tongue in cheek with that. :hugs:

Or more specifically, a blunt, obtuse, caricature of a “manly man”.

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I know.

I was just using that quote as a jumping off point for my own (semi- research backed) opinion

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Indentured servitude, maybe?

I mean, he REALLY thumbnailed the entirety of human chattel there.

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Im of the opinion that every caricature and stereotype has at least a grain of truth behind it

I’ve been reading a lot of papers by German researchers lately and it’s astounding how well their style fits stereotypes

Cross cultural research results also tend to confirm national stereotypes

With that said, I find the whole “manly man” thing is quite ridiculous, but on the other hand, I don’t buy into “toxic masculinity “ either. Arseholes will be arseholes, regardless of gender

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Agreed. Who gives a fuck? It’s happening all around the globe as countries develop. In China, it’s long been customary to give ALL your income to your non-working wife and she decides how to allocate your finances. You guys wanna do that lol?

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I think I’ve said something similar before somewhere in the political forum. It’s always either the hypermasculine dudes(rare) or the non-masculine ones who keep harping on all this shit. Few people in between really give a fuck.

I kinda do, but hate the way it gets tossed around.

Some guys are just confused emotionally unstable twats. When they do their imitation of what they believe to be masculine, it’s toxic.

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This part killed me too, like nurturing the disadvantaged is a novel concept and not a thousands-year old concept embedded in nearly all religions.

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