[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Well, I’ll tell ya that over the years I’ve been able to work my carbs up considerably. I like to think it’s been a combination of not being scared of getting fat, and staying leaner year round allowing my body to better handle serious numbers. During my last prep, I was having anywhere up to 450g of carbs on some days, and even on my ‘low’ days, I was still having a big ol’ bowl of oatmeal in the morning, and 2-3 Finibars (80-120g of carbs) before training each afternoon.
Let me ask you outright, what’s your current breakdown? By that I mean do you have carbs at every meal, or has it only been the ~100g before/during your training? With 4000 calories a day, and if only 100g total, I would think that you could probably benefit from not only adding more carbs each day, but even spreading some out a bit (I’d still keep pre-workout heavy though, it’s just been my personal preference).
Without even knowing, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you’re probably eating waaaaay more protein than you truly need. We’ve all done it. At some point though, I think most intermediate trainers realize that if they back off a bit on the unnecessary protein, they can not only add more carbs into the mix, but their body will magically handle them just fine (within reason of course. We can’t all house poptarts like there’s no tomorrow!)
Very enlightening Stu! Thanks again for responding. I’ve been pretty good at recording my meals and a typical day goes this:
Meal 1: 60g carbs (oatmeal, berries, whole milk)
Para-workout carbs (dextrose/malto)
Meal 2: 50g carbs (pasta or rice)
Meal 3: 50g carbs (oatmeal, berries, whole milk)
Meal 4: carbs from veggies
Meal 5: carbs from veggies
So overall about 260 - 280 carbs, I generally follow Berardi’s principles (even though it’s since been proven P+C/P+F is wrong it, helps me get cals in by staying hungry as its easier to get to 4000 consuming healthy fats. I should note that all of my carb meals i include fats too though, whole eggs, ground beef, flax oil/PB w/ my gainer shake,etc.
I’ve never been shy with carbs, I was 155lbs at 6’3" when I started lifting. My main interest with throwing more carbs in pre/during my workout is due to some articles I’ve read by Berardi/Layne Norton advocating more extreme carbs around this time for ecto/hardgainer type.
In your opinion would a Pre-WO shake of 30g whey hydrolysate 60g dextro/malto (30 mins before training) and another identical shake post workout be pretty good? Not sure I can justify the expense of fini-bars for some slower pre-wo carbs.
Essentially I’m just curious as to what carb numbers seem to be the norm with some of the more successful guys on this board when they’re bulking.