[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I’m not in any way against getting soft when bulking. I am against getting obese, which in my opinion is over 20% for someone not holding a whole lot of muscle and even for a bigger guy with a whole lot of muscle going more than a couple % over that is in my opinion when you start to border extreme.
with that being said I don’t know why you brought up this thread?
Most of those guys (excluding Priest) although soft arn’t fat or far off from a 16 weeks show prep.
Also I’d like to mention these days top pros seem to be staying leaner in the off season than in the past.
Now whether bulking was necessary for them to get that big in the first place… I really don’t think so… I’m assuming with the genetics and drug response of a top pro I’m sure they could have stayed at 15% or less and gained the amount of muscle they have.
But as a natty I think staying leaner CAN POSSIBLY be way more important because hormonally everyone is optimal at a certain bf % which can differ from person to person.
I know at 250lbs at/near/or over 30% I destroyed my endocrine system and it wasn’t until I lost about 40 pounds and got under 18% that a lot of the symptoms of a shitty hormonal started to slowly go away.
Also by the end of this I would have spent 1 year and 3 months cutting. This is a long time to spend not eating enough to support real gains for someone who is interested in bodybuilding.
Only if I would have spent a little less time shoving food in my mouth I could have probably done a normal 3-6 month cut and spent the rest of the year focusing on moving forward rather than stagnating/maybe even moving backwards.
Moral of the story.
Getting fat is not okay. Staying too lean for some can also keep you from gaining muscle as well…but we all know this.
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I do believe most people on this site and the planet would see 30% as too fat for anyone. I also do not think anyone should casually chill much over 20% for very long.
I also know that in regards to raising a setpoint, sometimes you do what is necessary…but I have NEVER seen anyone tell someone here to become fatter than 20% or ever try to. That would be a waste and way too much to lose later. There would also be too much possible physical damage.
Simply put, if you are “18%” yet growing faster than everyone telling you how fat you are, keep doing what you are doing unless you alone have some problem with the way you look.
Everyone doesn’t have the same genetic “sweet spot” for making gains.