i never reached a 315 bench in all the years i competed in bodybuilding. strength wasn’t a concern of mine. i would say i never went above 275. i switched over to powerlifting about 6 years ago and was benching 315 within 6 months. [/quote]
MM,you are one of the stronger mofos I know,could you tall us if your chest has become bigger since you started PL at such high level?
i still do a lot of hypertrophy training and that is what i would attribute my size to. You can get stronger without getting bigger and you can get bigger without lifting heavy. that’s a fact. now there is something to be said for having a bigger muscle to support heavier weights. strength is a function of neural efficiency…being able to fire more motor units. this happens through training in a low rep range and learning to strain under heavy weight.
this type of training won’t produce a huge amount of muscle mass. BUT at some point more mass will be needed to get to a certain strength level. It doesn’t go the other way though. You don’t HAVE to get to a certain strength level to gain more mass. Muscle mass is all about TUT…at least that’s how it has worked for me all these years. [/quote]
if your doing the same amount of weight in whatever exercise after a years time. You will not be any bigger. You need to get stronger in order to get bigger. that is one undisputed fact. yes, you can get stronger without getting bigger. If you do low reps, under 5, that won’t produce much growth. TUT is to low for that to occur. but, you still have to get stronger in the correct rep range to get bigger. thats a fact.[/quote]
i would agree with you if we are only talking about doing the same routine with the same exercises with the same weight for the same reps. getting bigger is about hitting the muscles from different angles with many different exercises. you want to keep the body from adapting. there are these things called complexes, circuits, rest/pause, drop sets, giant sets, decending sets, etc… the list goes on. it’s all about maintaining stress on the muscle for the most time possible.
Of course if you are doing a set of 10 with 225 on bench press week in and week out your body will quickly adapt to that and stop growing.
There are only so many basic compound exercises for each muscle. Even if you switch exercises all the time, you still have to get stronger in those exercises. Say you change up the tempo, which im doing now, by slowing down the movement, that will hit the muscle differently. but, even doing that, you still have to make progress in weight in order to keep getting bigger. [/quote]
let’s follow your logic for a moment then. if you are right, every huge bodybuilder out there should also be elite level powerlifters as well. if muscle size is in direct proportion to muscular strength then all the extremely huge bodybuilders should all be benching well over 500lbs, squatting 800 or more lbs…same for deadlift, since to coninue getting huge you HAVE to get stronger. [/quote]
I guess you have never seen Branch Warren or ronnie coleman or even a guy whos not really known as being super strong, jay cutler. I saw a video of jay cutler doing incline barbell presses with 405lbs for reps. thats not strong? remember, most pros are just trying to carve up what they already have. most aren’t trying to get bigger. they try and bring up parts they feel need more work. but overall they aren’t trying to get bigger.
This has been covered here by many of the “experts” that work at this site. I have read so many articles that have said, you have to get stronger to get bigger. Lets say, you change up the tempo, and do everything slower. that might lead to some new growth, but for it to continue, you have to get stronger. thats what im saying.
If your curling the same exact weight a year from now, or doing the same weight in tricep exercises a year from now, your arms will not be any larger. FACT.[/quote]
This is completely disconnected from your original point.
First you spoke about the need for indefinite strength gains to allow continued growth.
Now you say that “Bodybuilder A lifts X weight, you cant say that X weight isnt strong”.
Not an ounce of coherence.
Take a break from posting and google ‘logical fallacy’