How Do You Know When to Cut?

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

lol’d at you justifying being at 20%+ bodyfat for over a decade.

Cutting is mad easy. ECA stack has anti-catabolic properties and the verdict is still out on if its even slightly anabolic. I just set 2 prs on bench and one on curls even when im 11 days into a hardcore cut. 7 weeks to go.

Lost 2 inches off my waist already.

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That was funny to you? I’ve doubled my body weight in the time I’ve been training and currently max out most machines in most gyms. I doubt my body fat has been much under 15% the entire time aside from brief periods where I dieted down to around 10%.

Now, that will likely change this year considering how I am eating and training right now, but I dare you to find someone else on this board who has gained the same amount of muscular body weight AFTER they quit growing in height. I seriously doubt that if there is ONE, that there are any more than that.

Therefore, yes, progress is the most important and if that guy with 20% has outdone you in terms of lean body mass built, he is doing better than you even if you did maintain “8% body fat” the entire time.

Building that size is what takes the most effort and the longest time, not dieting.

That also doesn’t mean dieting is super easy. It isn’t, however, the largest issue there is will power, not YEARS of forcing a change in muscle mass.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Obviously if you’re still making gains in strength and muscle, then bf% takes a back seat,… but after a while, I think it can get ridiculous, and that there are a lot of people over-justifying just being slobs (says the guy eating two pizzas: “I’m bulking up” -lol)

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However, in college, the biggest and strongest guys were also the ones who had that mentality. Moderation in all things, but no one pushes the limits by constantly throwing the breaks on before they get anywhere.

Pushing myself at the table is what got me over 200lbs in the first place. I doubt most of the guys scared of body fat will ever push as hard for the same progress.

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
Cutting is mad easy. ECA stack has anti-catabolic properties and the verdict is still out on if its even slightly anabolic. I just set 2 prs on bench and one on curls even when im 11 days into a hardcore cut. 7 weeks to go.

Lost 2 inches off my waist already.[/quote]

I would imagine it is easy to continue PR’ing during a cut if you were really only benching 225 and curling 40’s while bulking.

That being said, I recommend to never cut. Ever. Just buy bigger T-shirts.[/quote]

LOL.

People brag about “PR’s” that I never would have mentioned due to thinking I wasn’t doing good enough.

I guess I should have rejoiced in my minor achievements more apparently.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

lol’d at you justifying being at 20%+ bodyfat for over a decade.

Cutting is mad easy. ECA stack has anti-catabolic properties and the verdict is still out on if its even slightly anabolic. I just set 2 prs on bench and one on curls even when im 11 days into a hardcore cut. 7 weeks to go.

Lost 2 inches off my waist already.

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That was funny to you? I’ve doubled my body weight in the time I’ve been training and currently max out most machines in most gyms. I doubt my body fat has been much under 15% the entire time aside from brief periods where I dieted down to around 10%.

Now, that will likely change this year considering how I am eating and training right now, but I dare you to find someone else on this board who has gained the same amount of muscular body weight AFTER they quit growing in height. I seriously doubt that if there is ONE, that there are any more than that.

Therefore, yes, progress is the most important and if that guy with 20% has outdone you in terms of lean body mass built, he is doing better than you even if you did maintain “8% body fat” the entire time.

Building that size is what takes the most effort and the longest time, not dieting.

That also doesn’t mean dieting is super easy. It isn’t, however, the largest issue there is will power, not YEARS of forcing a change in muscle mass.
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So…are you ever going to cut down or are you going to go into fat powerlifter mode? What will it take for you to get into the single digits for bodyfat?

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

So…are you ever going to cut down or are you going to go into fat powerlifter mode? What will it take for you to get into the single digits for bodyfat?
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Why is this a concern for you? I can pretty much guarantee that I get more daily comments about muscle mass than you do so why the extreme interest in when I diet?

I don’t talk about what I “plan” to do. I am either doing it or you don’t need to worry about it until I have reached that goal.

I leave all f the exclamations about what people “plan” to do to those who like posting “before” pictures with no afters.

Maybe you should spend more time working on size than dieting. You aren’t exactly that big.

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

lol’d at you justifying being at 20%+ bodyfat for over a decade.

Cutting is mad easy. ECA stack has anti-catabolic properties and the verdict is still out on if its even slightly anabolic. I just set 2 prs on bench and one on curls even when im 11 days into a hardcore cut. 7 weeks to go.

Lost 2 inches off my waist already.

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That was funny to you? I’ve doubled my body weight in the time I’ve been training and currently max out most machines in most gyms. I doubt my body fat has been much under 15% the entire time aside from brief periods where I dieted down to around 10%.

Now, that will likely change this year considering how I am eating and training right now, but I dare you to find someone else on this board who has gained the same amount of muscular body weight AFTER they quit growing in height. I seriously doubt that if there is ONE, that there are any more than that.

Therefore, yes, progress is the most important and if that guy with 20% has outdone you in terms of lean body mass built, he is doing better than you even if you did maintain “8% body fat” the entire time.

Building that size is what takes the most effort and the longest time, not dieting.

That also doesn’t mean dieting is super easy. It isn’t, however, the largest issue there is will power, not YEARS of forcing a change in muscle mass.
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So…are you ever going to cut down or are you going to go into fat powerlifter mode? What will it take for you to get into the single digits for bodyfat?
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You don’t look like you’re in the single digits either…

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

lol’d at you justifying being at 20%+ bodyfat for over a decade.

Cutting is mad easy. ECA stack has anti-catabolic properties and the verdict is still out on if its even slightly anabolic. I just set 2 prs on bench and one on curls even when im 11 days into a hardcore cut. 7 weeks to go.

Lost 2 inches off my waist already.

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That was funny to you? I’ve doubled my body weight in the time I’ve been training and currently max out most machines in most gyms. I doubt my body fat has been much under 15% the entire time aside from brief periods where I dieted down to around 10%.

Now, that will likely change this year considering how I am eating and training right now, but I dare you to find someone else on this board who has gained the same amount of muscular body weight AFTER they quit growing in height. I seriously doubt that if there is ONE, that there are any more than that.

Therefore, yes, progress is the most important and if that guy with 20% has outdone you in terms of lean body mass built, he is doing better than you even if you did maintain “8% body fat” the entire time.

Building that size is what takes the most effort and the longest time, not dieting.

That also doesn’t mean dieting is super easy. It isn’t, however, the largest issue there is will power, not YEARS of forcing a change in muscle mass.
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So…are you ever going to cut down or are you going to go into fat powerlifter mode? What will it take for you to get into the single digits for bodyfat?
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You don’t look like you’re in the single digits either…[/quote]

Im only on day 11 of my cut…7 weeks to go, brah. gonna get RIPPED

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

So…are you ever going to cut down or are you going to go into fat powerlifter mode? What will it take for you to get into the single digits for bodyfat?
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Why is this a concern for you? I can pretty much guarantee that I get more daily comments about muscle mass than you do so why the extreme interest in when I diet?

I don’t talk about what I “plan” to do. I am either doing it or you don’t need to worry about it until I have reached that goal.

I leave all f the exclamations about what people “plan” to do to those who like posting “before” pictures with no afters.

Maybe you should spend more time working on size than dieting. You aren’t exactly that big.[/quote]

Im interested because im trying to figure out whats going on in your head, BRO. If you can max out all of your favorite machines why not cut down and get super ripped?

You seem like a pretty knowledgable guy and have 31,000 posts so I’m trying to understand why you aren’t buying into the “bulk then cut” mentality and are instead doing a “bulk then bulk”

[quote]FattyFat wrote:

I mean: you can’t flex fat, right? It shouldn’t be too hard to assess your own muscle-to-fat gain ratio. Perhaps not to the gram, but to an accurate enough detail as to be able to decide if you should change things or keep on trucking.

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You can’t flex fat, but overall bodyweight is important if you want to put up some very impressive numbers. I remember when Koresh (excuse me, Charles Poliquin) used to say all the time something like, “You can’t flex fat; being a fat fuck isn’t necessary to be a good weightlifter or powerlifter.”

Yeah, sure, tell that to all the SHW and 308 lifters who know damn well that their high bodyweights have lent to them putting up some insane numbers. Added bodyweight provides leverage and stability and even some cushion in some many lifts - especially the bench press. That’s why most bench press specialists are fucking enormous. Granted they are at 20 percent bodyfat or higher, but these men are just big dudes with a large amount of muscle too, and who know that they wouldn’t be putting up 600+ pound benches by remaining a svelte 170 to 220 pounds!

And again, it comes down to how fast you want to do all this and what you’re comfortable with. I believe things can be done faster if you don’t mind going up to 20% bodyfat. Other issues come into play too though. How do you look at 20%? Some guys look sloppy; some guys just look “smooth” or “bulky”. Can you diet down while holding onto the muscle? Some guys are better at that than others, secondary to genetics and their ability to map out and follow an appropriate diet and add in the necessary amount of physical activity (cardio).

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

And again, it comes down to how fast you want to do all this and what you’re comfortable with. I believe things can be done faster if you don’t mind going up to 20% bodyfat. Other issues come into play too though. How do you look at 20%? Some guys look sloppy; some guys just look “smooth” or “bulky”. Can you diet down while holding onto the muscle? Some guys are better at that than others, secondary to genetics and their ability to map out and follow an appropriate diet and add in the necessary amount of physical activity (cardio).

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^Good answer Brick

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[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

So…are you ever going to cut down or are you going to go into fat powerlifter mode? What will it take for you to get into the single digits for bodyfat?
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Why is this a concern for you? I can pretty much guarantee that I get more daily comments about muscle mass than you do so why the extreme interest in when I diet?

I don’t talk about what I “plan” to do. I am either doing it or you don’t need to worry about it until I have reached that goal.

I leave all f the exclamations about what people “plan” to do to those who like posting “before” pictures with no afters.

Maybe you should spend more time working on size than dieting. You aren’t exactly that big.[/quote]

Im interested because im trying to figure out whats going on in your head, BRO. If you can max out all of your favorite machines why not cut down and get super ripped?

You seem like a pretty knowledgable guy and have 31,000 posts so I’m trying to understand why you aren’t buying into the “bulk then cut” mentality and are instead doing a “bulk then bulk”[/quote]

Way to troll, BRAH.

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

Im interested because im trying to figure out whats going on in your head, BRO. If you can max out all of your favorite machines why not cut down and get super ripped?

You seem like a pretty knowledgable guy and have 31,000 posts so I’m trying to understand why you aren’t buying into the “bulk then cut” mentality and are instead doing a “bulk then bulk”[/quote]

So, when you are thinking this through, it never occurs to you that the very reason I weigh this much and can lift this much is because I DIDN’T become overly concerned with how lean I was until I got this big?

Guys who think like you don’t get arms over 20". You just get abs. Between both of us, one of us gets noticed for our development no matter what we wear without having to strip.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

Im interested because im trying to figure out whats going on in your head, BRO. If you can max out all of your favorite machines why not cut down and get super ripped?

You seem like a pretty knowledgable guy and have 31,000 posts so I’m trying to understand why you aren’t buying into the “bulk then cut” mentality and are instead doing a “bulk then bulk”[/quote]

So, when you are thinking this through, it never occurs to you that the very reason I weigh this much and can lift this much is because I DIDN’T become overly concerned with how lean I was until I got this big?

Guys who think like you don’t get arms over 20". You just get abs. Between both of us, one of us gets noticed for our development no matter what we wear without having to strip.[/quote]

That’s correct. My favorite quote from Arnold is: “If you don’t look big in clothes, then you’re not big!”

With that rather elementary, but profound reasoning, one can also give the OP a simple answer as well. How do you know when to cut? Well get this: if you look in the mirror and you look fat, you’re fat. That makes it appropriate to start cutting down. How’s that for a bright spot?

I’ve said it before, and I’ve said it again: I’m absolutely fucking AMAZED… FLABBERGASTED… SHOCKED… STUNNED… that a thread like this has so much damn text in it.

I’m still AMAZED… FLABBERGASTED… SHOCKED… STUNNED… that there are thousands f pages dedicated to:

the interpretation of DC training (one of the most simple programs provided to mankind)
the interpretation of ramping up
knowing when to lose fat (as above, people have to be TOLD, rather than KNOWING, that they’re carrying too much fat)
what are some proper food choices for bodybuilding and health

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

Im interested because im trying to figure out whats going on in your head, BRO. If you can max out all of your favorite machines why not cut down and get super ripped?

You seem like a pretty knowledgable guy and have 31,000 posts so I’m trying to understand why you aren’t buying into the “bulk then cut” mentality and are instead doing a “bulk then bulk”[/quote]

So, when you are thinking this through, it never occurs to you that the very reason I weigh this much and can lift this much is because I DIDN’T become overly concerned with how lean I was until I got this big?

Guys who think like you don’t get arms over 20". You just get abs. Between both of us, one of us gets noticed for our development no matter what we wear without having to strip.[/quote]

So I ask you a direct question of when are you going to cut down to single digit bodyfat since you _are posting in a "when do you know when to cut thread and your answer is about me never getting 20 inch arms. Way to dodge the question, Neo!

You can lose signficant amounts of fat on a very low calorie diet and keep all your muscle if you take ECA stack. But, whatever I reply to you will go right over your head since your post count is so high and you’ve been lifting for sooooooooooooo long that you cant take advice from anybody.

Anyway, since whatever I reply to wont get through to you, let me put it this way - after my cut I will be Frank Zane and you will still be an off-season Ronnie Coleman.

Those are some big words right there, especially coming from a person (You) who hasn’t proved very much, to a person (Prof X) that is highly regarded for his progress and contributions.

I think it’s time for you to stop talking and start walking, come back here in 7 weeks when your cuts done and drop some pictures, then we will see who is true to their word.

stop feeding the trolls, makes cuttin so much easier

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

Those are some big words right there, especially coming from a person (You) who hasn’t proved very much, to a person (Prof X) that is highly regarded for his progress and contributions.

I think it’s time for you to stop talking and start walking, come back here in 7 weeks when your cuts done and drop some pictures, then we will see who is true to their word.[/quote]

yeah i will, bro. Its just fucked up that you listen to Prof X talk about how you wont ever accomplish anything if you dont “double your bodyweight durr durrr durrr”

when in actuality Frank Zane was a 3x Mr. Olympia and “only” 18" arms. Im just loling my ass off over here at his “you’ll never reach 20” arms" statement like to justifty bulking for years on end when a 3x winner only had 18s

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

Those are some big words right there, especially coming from a person (You) who hasn’t proved very much, to a person (Prof X) that is highly regarded for his progress and contributions.

I think it’s time for you to stop talking and start walking, come back here in 7 weeks when your cuts done and drop some pictures, then we will see who is true to their word.[/quote]

yeah i will, bro. Its just fucked up that you listen to Prof X talk about how you wont ever accomplish anything if you dont “double your bodyweight durr durrr durrr”

when in actuality Frank Zane was a 3x Mr. Olympia and “only” 18" arms. Im just loling my ass off over here at his “you’ll never reach 20” arms" statement like to justifty bulking for years on end when a 3x winner only had 18s[/quote]

I don’t listen to talk, I look at results. If you come back with yours, I am sure credit will be given where credit is due.

[quote]celtics2022 wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

Those are some big words right there, especially coming from a person (You) who hasn’t proved very much, to a person (Prof X) that is highly regarded for his progress and contributions.

I think it’s time for you to stop talking and start walking, come back here in 7 weeks when your cuts done and drop some pictures, then we will see who is true to their word.[/quote]

yeah i will, bro. Its just fucked up that you listen to Prof X talk about how you wont ever accomplish anything if you dont “double your bodyweight durr durrr durrr”

when in actuality Frank Zane was a 3x Mr. Olympia and “only” 18" arms. Im just loling my ass off over here at his “you’ll never reach 20” arms" statement like to justifty bulking for years on end when a 3x winner only had 18s[/quote]

So, when you post your pics in 7 weeks with you as the second coming of Frank Zane, are you going to have 18" arms and Frank’s conditioning?

when u feel like it