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How Do I Know If PCT Is Working?

I finish my cycle of Test Cyp 18 days ago. I started Clomid 200mg day 1 and then 100mg day for 14 days, then 50mg a day for 14 days. I was told to run it like this because I am 43 and sometime is takes older men a little longer to recover. How will i know if it is working, because right now I feel like shit.

If you feel like shit its likely not working super great. If you have lost any apreciable amount of size, weight and/or strength since being on cycle its likely not working super great. Obviously its too late now but the crash you are experiencing is why so many these days gravitate towards the test tapering protocol. Read the sticky atop this forum on the subject. Sounds like its too late this time but next time you will at least be prepared.

sap, or anyone, would it be possible for him to administer a TRT level dose for a couple weeks then taper off that? Or would the rebound be even worse.

I’m thinking of the idea of bridging a cycle but used to restart a PCT.

[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
sap, or anyone, would it be possible for him to administer a TRT level dose for a couple weeks then taper off that? Or would the rebound be even worse.

I’m thinking of the idea of bridging a cycle but used to restart a PCT.[/quote]

That’s actually a pretty damned good idea, and if you’re saying what I think you are, the yes it would be extremely effective.

World

Sounds promising World and Mr. Zsasz

I’m only on 3rd dose of Clomid, which makes 200mg+100mg+100mg. should it work that quick or should i wait until full cycle of Clomid is over before I decide if it’s working or not? I’m using liquid Clomid from a Research company that was recommended here.

[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
sap, or anyone, would it be possible for him to administer a TRT level dose for a couple weeks then taper off that? Or would the rebound be even worse.

I’m thinking of the idea of bridging a cycle but used to restart a PCT.[/quote]

Yes that is exactly what he needs to do,
I would go with 6 weeks of test e at 150mg per week then begin tapering down.

However, being 18 days from his last injection, would he not be better administering a shorter ester?
food for thought?

after my trt came to an abrupt halt following a hospital holiday i managed 11 days of nolva at 40mg per day and jumped straight back onto test e 300mg per week.
It took around 9 days before i felt back to normal and up to an afternoon watching youporn.com.

edit: the test e began after the 11 days of nolva administration, the nolva was ran until i felt the test kicking in.

[quote]testanabol wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
sap, or anyone, would it be possible for him to administer a TRT level dose for a couple weeks then taper off that? Or would the rebound be even worse.

I’m thinking of the idea of bridging a cycle but used to restart a PCT.

Yes that is exactly what he needs to do,
I would go with 6 weeks of test e at 150mg per week then begin tapering down.

However, being 18 days from his last injection, would he not be better administering a shorter ester?
food for thought?

after my trt came to an abrupt halt following a hospital holiday i managed 11 days of nolva at 40mg per day and jumped straight back onto test e 300mg per week.
It took around 9 days before i felt back to normal and up to an afternoon watching youporn.com.

edit: the test e began after the 11 days of nolva administration, the nolva was ran until i felt the test kicking in.[/quote]

I think a shorter ester would be better given the time frame, ie he wants to kick it up a notch as fast as possible. And on the other end, tapering with Prop means a smaller time frame for it to leave the system and where a SERM could be re-introduced for extra precautions.

Or even the six weeks with the Test-E for the stasis but then switch to Prop for the taper.

icehead, clomid has been known to cause you to feel like crap in higher doses. It can even interfere with your vision. The newer version of pct containing clomid uses nolva to help combat these negative feelings associated with the clomid dosages.

Go with a HRT/TRT style dose, much like the stasis/taper protocol. I think you can still save valuable muscle.

I’m confused. should I continue what I’m doing on Clomid or restart my Test cyp then taper? I have none of the sides that everyone talks about after 200+100+100+100mg of Clomid. I really want the juice to clear my system. I don’t mind feeling bad for a few weeks as long as I know it will be better by the end of my Clomid cycle which is a month long.

according to your post, then you need to continue on the clomid.

MrZsasz, do you not think e would be better begining the ‘stasis’ period with prop considering that the Test he was using will already have cleared his system? and yes i agree that prop for the taper would be better.

Icehead; please claify what is exactly wrong with you, i.e. how you feel like crap and symptoms of…

Are you losing the gains you made on cycle?

Here is problem…I’m losing gains, loss of sex drive, hardly any wood at any time, no morning erections. strength seems about the same when on cycle. I 've dropped about 40 pounds on my bench but most of my strength is not a drastic loss. my freinds tell me it’s water weight that i was holding when on cycle. i’m 43 if anyone wants to know. not really depressed just worried about nuts coming back to full size and recovery(libido/sex/wood) from first cycle.

What was your exact cycle?

Test Cyp:
wk 1:300mg
wk 2:400
wk 3:450
wk 4:500
wk 5:500
wk 6:500
wk 7:500
wk 8:400
wk 9:400
wk 10:300
off cycle 18 days(because some say 14 days after cycle, others say 21 days). Started Liquid Clomid 200mg day one, 100 day 2, 100 day 3, 100 day 4. I was told for older guys that it is good to run 100Mg a day for 14 days then 50mg a day for 14 days since it takes older guys longer to recover. any help?

[quote]icehead wrote:
Here is problem…I’m losing gains, loss of sex drive, hardly any wood at any time, no morning erections. strength seems about the same when on cycle. I 've dropped about 40 pounds on my bench but most of my strength is not a drastic loss. my freinds tell me it’s water weight that i was holding when on cycle. i’m 43 if anyone wants to know. not really depressed just worried about nuts coming back to full size and recovery(libido/sex/wood) from first cycle.[/quote]

Basically you’ve just got to weather the storm. It seems like 18-20 days is a little early to be experiencing losses of that significance coming off of a long estered test, although I don’t know exactly what compounds/doses/cycle length you ran (maybe I overlooked it). In addition 40 lbs is pretty subjective, it would be more telling if we knew what % 40 lbs is of your 2RM IMO.

If you did want to incorporate some TRT I would absolutely only go with Prop. - but again, I would weather this one out and incorporate the taper next cycle. Don’t worry about your nuts coming back, it’s perfectly normal.

I’m 40 and the last time I came off of a test cyp/deca cycle of 14 and 12 weeks respectively, it took exactly eleven weeks after my last test cyp injection before I returned to normal. But then again I only lost 40 lbs (12% of 2RM) total off of my bench in eleven weeks.

Hang in there and hit the protein shakes and vitamins hard and religiously to minimize your losses.

[quote]icehead wrote:
Test Cyp:
wk 1:300mg
wk 2:400
wk 3:450
wk 4:500
wk 5:500
wk 6:500
wk 7:500
wk 8:400
wk 9:400
wk 10:300
off cycle 18 days(because some say 14 days after cycle, others say 21 days). Started Liquid Clomid 200mg day one, 100 day 2, 100 day 3, 100 day 4. I was told for older guys that it is good to run 100Mg a day for 14 days then 50mg a day for 14 days since it takes older guys longer to recover. any help? [/quote]

There must have been a delay - I missed this, sorry.

Thanks. it’s great to hear from someone my age chiming in. i new to this and don’t know what to expect

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Whatever happens, don’t use your cyp for recovery purposes; by the time it’s kicked in, it will be too late.

You either need to suck up the clomid for whatever thats worth (and IMO it’s not worth much more than a fart in the wind, especially at your age) and suffer your losses, or use 4 weeks (since you’ve already gone 18 days of the natural taper of the cyp ester) of test prop @ 100mg/wk and then taper off over 4-6 weeks.

You say “I want the test out of my system” but it really is beneficial for most to use that little bit more (a stasis taper approach) to ensure a smooth transition.

That’s my opinion.

Bushy[/quote]

Bushy, do you think the addition of HCG would help at this point? Or in conjunction with the Prop statis/taper?