A philosophic question: would Beowolf be invited? He seems sincere and is quite intelligent. He has altruistic tendencies, so you have to decide if this qualifies or disqualifies him for admittance.
A bigger philosophic question would be, would Beowolf, or any New Yorker, want to live there? Nothing against New Yorkers in particular, but it seems to me that the great majority of Metropolites are Metropolites by choice. In other words, Alkibiades was the notable exception: most Athenians don’t want to become Spartans.
First: Thanks for all the advice everyone. Obviously, this stuff isn’t just for me, but for my lazy ass whining generation as a whole. Specific thanks to TB, your words are, as always, quite poignant. I liked my Uncles schpiel as well.
Second: Would I want to live in such a place? Thats a very difficult question. Parts of me craves that kind of lifestyle. Where people live by their own means, and where things like brotherhood and honor really mean something. I’m a sucker for tales of brotherhood and adventure. On the other hand, I can’t stand being isolated from people. Even though I may not always want to seek them out, knowing that I can go find a group of people to hang out with at any time is very comforting. I have friends who live in upstate NY… it’s probably the most boring place I’ve ever been. I don’t like the idea of having to travel miles and miles to gather a group of friends to play pickup football or see a movie.
The New Yorker stereotype is about as true as the Southerner stereotype. Its extremely visible in some people, and almost invisible or non existent in others (just like most stereotypes). The New Yorkers are not the “Athenians” while the west is filled with “Spartans”. Think about how many immigrants found their fortunes in New York City alone.
What your talking about is a place where manhood is valued. A place where people are not only REQUIRED, but genuinely WANT to contribute more to than they cost, the mark of a man (to provide).
I think if it came down between a socialist “paradise” and a capitalist “paradise”, I would choose the capitalist nation. But nothing is that simple or clear cut. Too make such a decision, I’d need to see how each place would realistically pan out.
PS@HH - Do you actually watch the show, or do you have kids that do? Just curious.
Avatar is very cool — all my kids (6,12,17) enjoy the show.
Much of what Varg is describing is in ‘Atlas Shrugged’ btw.
I think we should all realize, with Marx, is how important economics is with determining social structure. As wealth increases, people can be less and less dependent on others. If work became obsolete, for example, we’d have no need of hierarchy or war, and so on. This is the conflict between countries that vote for their leaders and those who don’t — leaders mostly want power, but elected leaders are at the mercy of the populace. The dynamic is between the people and the leadership. If wealth becomes universal, then Communism becomes the ideal society. Only war is destructive enough of wealth to prevent communism.
So, people in cities are there not because they are sheep or less manly. They are there because of wealth. Of course, our leaders began making us poorer so wealth centers, cities, are in decay.