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How a Lib Guards a Border

"Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean are normally the sort of Mexican-Americans Bush would tear up at while promoting amnesty for illegal aliens. Both served in the military and are taxpaying, law-abiding citizens. They’ve been risking their lives as Border Patrol agents for years.

Ramos was nominated for Border Patrol Agent of the Year in 2005. His nomination received a major setback when the Bush administration decided to put him in prison instead. Ramos and Compean are now serving more than 10 years apiece in solitary confinement for chasing a drug-running illegal alien back to Mexico.

Bush’s pal, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, gave immunity to a Mexican drug dealer hauling a million dollars worth of drugs across the border so that the drug dealer could testify against two Border Patrol agents who shot him in the buttocks."

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

The BP agents didn’t fill out forms about shooting this scum, and didn’t get permission to exceed the speed limit in pursuing him. So, they get prison.

No wonder this country is going down the shitter…

Well, how do you suggest we get our drugs then? Somebody’s got to do it. If they were to stop the drug flow lots of people would lose thier jobs.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
"Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean are normally the sort of Mexican-Americans Bush would tear up at while promoting amnesty for illegal aliens. Both served in the military and are taxpaying, law-abiding citizens. They’ve been risking their lives as Border Patrol agents for years.

Ramos was nominated for Border Patrol Agent of the Year in 2005. His nomination received a major setback when the Bush administration decided to put him in prison instead. Ramos and Compean are now serving more than 10 years apiece in solitary confinement for chasing a drug-running illegal alien back to Mexico.

Bush’s pal, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, gave immunity to a Mexican drug dealer hauling a million dollars worth of drugs across the border so that the drug dealer could testify against two Border Patrol agents who shot him in the buttocks."

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

The BP agents didn’t fill out forms about shooting this scum, and didn’t get permission to exceed the speed limit in pursuing him. So, they get prison.

No wonder this country is going down the shitter…
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HH, I think your brain is broken. This is not how a lib guards the border, its how Bush and his faux-conservative administration guard the border.

Quit blaming libs for all the world’s problems.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The BP agents didn’t fill out forms about shooting this scum, and didn’t get permission to exceed the speed limit in pursuing him. So, they get prison.

No wonder this country is going down the shitter…
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HH,

That’s how you see it; this is how I see it.

If these two had probable cause then the required bureaucratic hoops should not have been an issue for them. The bureaucracy exists to keep warrantless atrocities from happening. I agree that prison is probably a bit extreme.

Are we supposed to give up our freedom and security just to catch a couple million illegal immigrants.

I wonder what she is leaving out of her story.

Could you explain what you’re trying for here? The post seems to revolve entirely around the Bush administration.

Are you arguing that Bush is now a liberal?

Ah yes, that ever amusing game: Let’s try to make sense of a HH post.

Never gets old.

[quote]BabyBuster wrote:
Could you explain what you’re trying for here? The post seems to revolve entirely around the Bush administration.

Are you arguing that Bush is now a liberal?[/quote]

Does Bush match the characteristics of a Liberal?

Well, this just highlights a significant conflict of interest in the Republican Party. On the one hand you have the Big Capitalists who want to be free to set up shop in distant lands to take advantage of cheap labor. They also dont mind the cheap mexican labor, for example, working the California farmlands.

On the other hand, the Republican Party has subtlely and not-so-subtlely at times profited politically from a certain type of xenophobia. Just think of people like Michael Savage, etc. This draws a certain section of the middle and working classes to the Republican Party who fear (sometimes with reason) that their jobs are going to be taken.

So now you have this contradiction between the populists in the Republican Party and the Big Capitalists. It will be interesting to see how this is reconciled. My guess is that the Big Capitalists (who control the purse strings) will escalate liberal bashing and hope that this thing just blows over.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

Does Bush match the characteristics of a Liberal?

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Ever-increasing government power over private life, lax security, enabling criminals, attacking dissenters…

No, Bush doesn’t match the characteristics of a liberal, he’s much worse! Which is why I’m praying we don’t vote in someone exactly like him. (See: Guiliani)

Secure borders around sovereign nations don’t jive very well with the goal of world socialism.

That’s why nobody on either side gives a shit besides Ron Paul.

I think it would be important to know the facts of the case.

While I hear a lot of crying that they should not be given a prison sentence, I don’t see a single person lifting a hand to help them.

Perhaps this implies there was a reason (that I don’t know about) for the trial and conviction in the first place?

However, I do think the damned border should be secured. I can’t believe that a nation would not want the ability to control it’s own border.

Somebody might want to think about who profits from the current border situation… the border certainly isn’t open because the it’s what the majority of US citizens want.

Is it?

[quote]vroom wrote:
I think it would be important to know the facts of the case.

While I hear a lot of crying that they should not be given a prison sentence, I don’t see a single person lifting a hand to help them.

Perhaps this implies there was a reason (that I don’t know about) for the trial and conviction in the first place?

However, I do think the damned border should be secured. I can’t believe that a nation would not want the ability to control it’s own border.

Somebody might want to think about who profits from the current border situation… the border certainly isn’t open because the it’s what the majority of US citizens want.

Is it?[/quote]

This is irrellevant.

You cannot control this border and any attempt is bound to fail.

It is the same with monitoring all cargo containers or planes that go in and out of the US.

Cannot be done, end of story.

There’s not much private incentive to control the border, or incoming planes and ships. Government is a bunch of incompetents or worse, officials co-operating for $$$. The Kennedy’s got really rich off of booze in the 1920s.

We’re starting to look more like Ming China rather than Rome — having a weak border led to their downfall (spending too much $$$ building the Great Wall helped ruin them for them though).