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House Passes Updated Hitler Youth Bill

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The House passed a bill yesterday which includes disturbing language indicating young people will be forced to undertake mandatory national service programs as fears about President Barack Obama?s promised ?civilian national security force? intensify.

The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act, was passed yesterday by a 321-105 margin and now goes to the Senate.

Under section 6104 of the bill, entitled ?Duties,? in subsection B6, the legislation states that a commission will be set up to investigate, ?Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.?

Section 120 of the bill also discusses the ?Youth Engagement Zone Program? and states that ?service learning? will be ?a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency?.

?The legislation, slated to cost $6 billion over five years, would create 175,000 ?new service opportunities? under AmeriCorps, bringing the number of participants in the national volunteer program to 250,000. It would also create additional ?corps? to expand the reach of volunteerism into new sectors, including a Clean Energy Corps, Education Corps, Healthy Futures Corps and Veterans Service Corps, and it expands the National Civilian Community Corps to focus on additional areas like disaster relief and energy conservation,? reports Fox News.

Let the indoctrination begin.

"There is even a provision in the bill for uniforms."

I bet Acorn will administer it. Hail Obama.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388

Concerning. I just saw that my house representative voted for this. nasty email already sent.

You cannot mandate volunteer work. That is a contradiction in terms. I see my representative voted for this as well. He will get a very, very bad email.

Used to be my dad’s theme song in college and in the army (Big Red 1). They’d bang their beer mugs on the table and shout it out. Lately I’m starting to believe it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWZ-JBbQJIc

It would seem as though I am not wearing my tin foil hat like you folks.

[quote]Fergy wrote:
It would seem as though I am not wearing my tin foil hat like you folks. [/quote]

The question is not one of “will this happen” it’s one of “could this happen”, although I think this thread was definitely titled needlessly inflammatory. Frankly I see no reason to open ourselves to that possibility. If there is one thing government is famous for, it is abusing its power and seeking simultaneously to expand it. I am too cynical to believe that it will not eventually be abused like everything else. And this administration’s actions so far have largely subverted what little confidence I had. I have no reason to believe they will show more sense later than they have so far.

I used to be a moderate. What happened to me?

[quote]Fergy wrote:
It would seem as though I am not wearing my tin foil hat like you folks. [/quote]

It’s not a conspiracy theory. The bill actually passed. Read the text of it. The comparison between this plan and other put forth by tyrants and dictators is accurate.

It’s all coming together in front of our eyes.

[quote]hedo wrote:
Fergy wrote:
It would seem as though I am not wearing my tin foil hat like you folks.

It’s not a conspiracy theory. The bill actually passed. Read the text of it. The comparison between this plan and other put forth by tyrants and dictators is accurate.
[/quote]

True. For example our gun Control ACT of 1968 was word for word a copy of the Nazi weapons act from the 20s. Our bill was written by a democratic senator, Dodd, I think.

And they call conservatives and republicans Nazis, haha!

Show me the part where people, or children, are forced to do this. Even FauxNews didn’t seem all that alarmed about it.

I’m running out of tin foil jokes. You people are crazy. O

And should they ever make service mandatory, I would disagree with it strongly.

"The bipartisan commission will be tasked with exploring a number of topics, including “whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the nation.”

I’d be against that.

But I don’t have time to get my news from a reliable source and I don’t trust that network, so I’ll comment after i read real stuff.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Show me the part where people, or children, are forced to do this. Even FauxNews didn’t seem all that alarmed about it.

I’m running out of tin foil jokes. You people are crazy. O[/quote]

You have to understand that things like this are accomplished slowly over time. It’s all a series of small steps. People are given time to get used to it, to learn to like it and accept it.

It’s escalation pure and simple.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Fergy wrote:
It would seem as though I am not wearing my tin foil hat like you folks.

The question is not one of “will this happen” it’s one of “could this happen”, although I think this thread was definitely titled needlessly inflammatory. Frankly I see no reason to open ourselves to that possibility. If there is one thing government is famous for, it is abusing its power and seeking simultaneously to expand it. I am too cynical to believe that it will not eventually be abused like everything else. And this administration’s actions so far have largely subverted what little confidence I had. I have no reason to believe they will show more sense later than they have so far.

I used to be a moderate. What happened to me?[/quote]

You smartened up.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And should they ever make service mandatory, I would disagree with it strongly.

"The bipartisan commission will be tasked with exploring a number of topics, including “whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the nation.”

I’d be against that.

But I don’t have time to get my news from a reliable source and I don’t trust that network, so I’ll comment after i read real stuff.
[/quote]

No, as usual you commented before knowing anything.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
And should they ever make service mandatory, I would disagree with it strongly.

"The bipartisan commission will be tasked with exploring a number of topics, including “whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the nation.”

I’d be against that.

But I don’t have time to get my news from a reliable source and I don’t trust that network, so I’ll comment after i read real stuff.

No, as usual you commented before knowing anything.

[/quote]

No cocksucker, I was right when I said that this bill, per se, isn’t doing shit to make it mandatory.

They form “bipartisan commissions” for lots of shit. But there’s no Hitler youth on the rise. You guys are, again, remarkably pathetic.

Wrong, you worthless piece of shit: you did comment.

Goodbye.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Show me the part where people, or children, are forced to do this. Even FauxNews didn’t seem all that alarmed about it.

I’m running out of tin foil jokes. You people are crazy. O

You have to understand that things like this are accomplished slowly over time. It’s all a series of small steps. People are given time to get used to it, to learn to like it and accept it.

It’s escalation pure and simple.

[/quote]

Yep

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
And should they ever make service mandatory, I would disagree with it strongly.

"The bipartisan commission will be tasked with exploring a number of topics, including “whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the nation.”

I’d be against that.

But I don’t have time to get my news from a reliable source and I don’t trust that network, so I’ll comment after i read real stuff.

No, as usual you commented before knowing anything.

No cocksucker, I was right when I said that this bill, per se, isn’t doing shit to make it mandatory.

They form “bipartisan commissions” for lots of shit. But there’s no Hitler youth on the rise. You guys are, again, remarkably pathetic.[/quote]

What’s pathetic is that you refuse to look at history and the agenda of this president.

History - We had a draft to send young men to die. Why is this such a stretch? What has been the trend since the birth of this country? More federal control over our lives or less? More freedom or less freedom? Do you see this these trends magically halting?

Agenda of this president - He has spoken specifically on this issue countless times. Do you think he was just kidding?

Agenda of the Liberals - Are liberals trying to educate young people in politics and economics, or chant rhetoric and slogans? In general, are other gov’t sponcered programs liberal or conservative? Do you think they will be looking to expand or disband after the “feasability” study?

The fact that they are spending money on this and forming a committee means that they do not view this as unconstitional. Aren’t you a bit worried that they are even on the fense about this? If they thought is was probably a bad idea and wouldn’t move forward, would they be looking at it?

Two things:

1.Future totalitarian scenarios aside, why do we need to triple the size of a federal “volunteer” corps? Isn’t America the most generous country in the history of the planet to begin with? Seems like another slush fund.

2.Even the DISCUSSION of forced service/servitude should be whipping the American populace into a frenzy. The politicians should be terrified to even mention it. The mere discussion is a sign of something very, very wrong. How can anyone but the staunchest socialist cheerleader not see that?

JD, obviously we don’t. But the dems would get to create a huge, indoctrinated voting bloc who will also “advocate” for legislation. Also, this crowds out genuine volunteer organizations (and their funding) - again, with a multitude of benefits for the dems.

You’re right - and as De toqueville argued - spontaneously ordered volunteerism is one of the great strengths and glories of our nation. It is how we help the weak and unfortunate; it is how we build genuine communities based upon caring; it is rooted in history and place; etc.

Collectivism, however, is precisely the opposite: it is abstract and authoritarian to the core.

Every collectivist philosophy starts by hollowing out the meaning of words: in this case it denatures the word “community,” which has now become a kind of catch-all phrase, a controlling metaphor, that is divorced from its original meaning into a vague thing applied to the nation under our “community-organizer-chief.”

Obviously, a nation, the world, whatever, is not and will never be a “community” in the real sense of the word.

Yeah, I think the American people will go ballistic if this actually goes anywhere. I’ll be right there with them.

Sorry, rant over. heh.